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The Trump administration has approved the sale of dozens of new F-16 jet fighters to Taiwan, the first major warplane sale to the island state in nearly 30 years.

The interagency decision, to be announced in the near future, authorized the sale of up to 66 F-16V jet fighters at an estimated cost of $13 billion, according to administration officials familiar with internal discussions.
The jets are among several new weapons systems, including missiles, that are part of the administration's latest arms sale to Taiwan, a key U.S. partner in the Asia Pacific region.
The jet sale reverses the Obama administration rejection of Taiwan's request for the same number of F-15C/D jets over fears of upsetting China. The George W. Bush administration also blocked F-16 sales in 2007, amid worries about triggering a backlash from Beijing.
A Pentagon spokesman referred questions about the arms sale to the State Department. A State Department spokesman said the department does not comment on arms sales until Congress is first notified.
The jet sale is part of the Trump administration's more hardline policy toward China. Last year, President Trump signed legislation authorizing greater amounts of high-level U.S. visits to Taiwan.
The arms sales are being carried out under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act that authorizes the United States to provide defensive weapons to Taiwan to counter any mainland attack.
The last sale of 150 F-16A/B models took place from 1992 to 1999 under the administration of President George H.W. Bush.
As with the 1992 transfers, the sale is expected to upset Beijing, which regards Taiwan as a breakaway province and not an independent state.

At an average price of $197 million per plane, there must be tons of missiles and spares that go with it. Surely Beijing will go into a gigantic fit.

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Skywatcher

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The Trump administration has approved the sale of dozens of new F-16 jet fighters to Taiwan, the first major warplane sale to the island state in nearly 30 years.



At an average price of $197 million per plane, there must be tons of missiles and spares that go with it. Surely Beijing will go into a gigantic fit.

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Wait a moment, so they want to both by $13 billion of F-16s, and spend billions more on submarines?

Schmucks.

Given the near $200 million per airframe price, does that include something absurd like assembling the F-16s in Taiwan or some other wasteful pork barrel make work project as an offset?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
$13 billion of F-16s, and spend billions more on submarines?
Can you think of anyone willing to incite the Wraith of Xi by selling Taiwan complete submarines for South of that much?
The US doesn't care in that but lacks a conventional sub for export.
Given the near $200 million per airframe price, does that include something absurd like assembling the F-16s in Taiwan or some other wasteful pork barrel make work project as an offset?
First any new F16 sold are going to be higher than normal because the line has to be opened. The old line was in Texas. That line was closed and retooled for expanded F35 production. So a new line has to be opened Lockheed Martin had a plant for that in South Carolina but it's not yet open it's planed to open this year though.
So might as well at least you know when the line opens.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Can you think of anyone willing to incite the Wraith of Xi by selling Taiwan complete submarines for South of that much?
The US doesn't care in that but lacks a conventional sub for export.

First any new F16 sold are going to be higher than normal because the line has to be opened. The old line was in Texas. That line was closed and retooled for expanded F35 production. So a new line has to be opened Lockheed Martin had a plant for that in South Carolina but it's not yet open it's planed to open this year though.
So might as well at least you know when the line opens.
That doesn't address where Taipei will magic up the billions for their domestic subs.

I'm pointing out the nine figure per airframe price because a Defense News report states Taiwan wanted to assemble them in country ( not surprising given Tsais idiotic idea to use defense spending as a jobs program)
 

Mr T

Senior Member
page me once there's an announcement at something like
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That's my thinking. The article sounds like the ones published weeks ago regarding Taiwan's plans to purchase, and someone's just slapped "US has agreed to sell" on it.

Regarding cost, that's probably life-time cost. I doubt even the US would sell 66 new F-16s for that much.
 
That's ...
I can only repeat Dec 2, 2018
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one of the things I've learned from Jeff is to wait for an official announcement AND don't take seriously journalists' spin (based on their 'unnamed sources', 'understanding' etc.);

in other words, what matters is what an Admiral; General; Minister; President etc. exactly said (this still might not become true anyway!), and it doesn't matter what journalists made it sound;
 

Mr T

Senior Member
I can only repeat Dec 2, 2018
:
one of the things I've learned from Jeff is to wait for an official announcement AND don't take seriously journalists' spin (based on their 'unnamed sources', 'understanding' etc.);

in other words, what matters is what an Admiral; General; Minister; President etc. exactly said (this still might not become true anyway!), and it doesn't matter what journalists made it sound;

Yes, I was agreeing with you. I thought that was obvious?
 

Skywatcher

Captain
That's my thinking. The article sounds like the ones published weeks ago regarding Taiwan's plans to purchase, and someone's just slapped "US has agreed to sell" on it.

Regarding cost, that's probably life-time cost. I doubt even the US would sell 66 new F-16s for that much.
Could be a too clever by half way to defuse any Sino-American tensions, since the Legislative Yuan probably isn't going to agree to a package of $200 million per airframe. If Taipei rejects it, well, Rubio et al have no reason to complain.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The Trump administration has given tacit approval to Taiwan’s request to buy more than 60 F-16 fighter jets, according to people familiar with the matter, prompting a fresh protest from China amid its trade dispute with the U.S.
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The 60 F16 Block 70 fighters would be on top of the existing overhaul of the 145 F16A/B models in country.

The new birds and old would be similar in terms of new radar the APG 83, avionics including cockpit display, datalink, RWR defensive aides and more
The new birds would also have a more powerful engine, CFT and refinements to the airframe that came from decades of improvements to the F16 Line.
 
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