adeptitus said:I find the discussion on the turret interesting, since many publications claim 70% of modern MBT kills are on the turret. I guess if you could reposition the tank commander and not store any ammo in the turret, it'd increase your crew survival chance.
Or you could revive an old Swedish design:
My point with the "tanks for sale" post is that, here in the US, if you have enough money, even civilians can purchase de-militarized APC's, tanks, jet fighters - yes, you could buy/sell MiG-29's on ebay:
So if you ever thought the US government isn't capable of getting their hands on something, remember that as long as there's profit, there'll be a horde of international arms dealers ready to cater to your needs. I can't say for certain if we have a T-90 tank here in the US, but I'm pretty sure that if the US army wanted one, there'll be enough people out there willing to strip a T-90 and ship the parts over for $$.
Thieves plunder Russian Navy
Russia's nuclear-armed Northern Fleet is falling to pieces - quite literally - as scavengers plunder its ships of precious metal components.
Hundreds of naval officers and civilian contractors have joined with criminal gangs in the illegal trade targeting anything containing a few dollars' worth of gold, silver or palladium.
Millions of dollars are being made on smuggling the loot abroad, and naval equipment worth perhaps hundreds of millions is being ruined in the process, Russian TV reports.
Warships and submarines, both decommissioned and in active service, often find themselves missing vital components, including telecommunication circuit boards, air regeneration filters and even torpedoes.
"Expensive equipment is rendered inoperative as a result of these thefts," says Vladimir Mulov, the Northern Fleet's military prosecutor.
"Parts, for example, are stolen from anti-aircraft systems. Such thefts cause enormous damage to the ships' military capability."
Much of the trade takes place around the northern city of Murmansk, the homeport of the ill-fated submarine Kursk, which sank with the loss of all hands following an explosion during a naval exercise.
The port has become the scene of fierce turf wars between rival gangs which has claimed more than 10 lives this year alone, says its police chief Viktor Pesterev.
One Russian Granit-class nuclear-powered submarine contains roughly a tonne of silver, more than 30 kg of pure gold and 20 kg of the precious metal palladium, experts say.
Some of this potential treasure is dispersed in thousands of tiny circuit-board components throughout the ship.
A detailed diagram showing where such components can be found on a submarine, along with instructions on how best to dismantle them, was recently found during a police raid.
But just one shoebox-sized air regeneration cartridge, for example, can yield 139 grams of palladium, worth over 2,000 dollars on the black market, the TV says.
No wonder places like Murmansk are littered with booths of scrap metal dealers, and local papers are filled with advertisements offering a good price for precious metal - no questions asked.
Officers and thieves
Shipyards and naval bases have employed guards with metal detectors in an effort to keep the ships' components where they belong.
But that does not always help. One recent victim is the nuclear submarine Kazan, which lost her air regeneration filters. They were stolen by two officers who were supposed to guard them.
Still on trial for a similar offence is the chief of a naval garrison and a naval captain.
Of the 147 people investigated for the theft of precious metals from the military last year, more than half were officers.
But you're not denying that the US can get ahold of T-90 components, through Russian military personnel stealing & selling them to scrap/arms dealers, no?Red not Dead said:Please don't even bring these kind of low-life pseudo-journalistic articles that are made in order to reinsure our home crowds on the utter superiority of the western civilization on russian barbaric stateless hordes. It like the stigma chinese bear about copying (while as we know the best copists and by far are the europeans that stole among others the paper sheet, the parachute, the gunpowder to the chinese).
Once again things are messed. US could easily get T-80B from anywhere - Germany, Ukraine, Belorus, while officially it has only one T-80U.In post #45 & #48 of this thread, you doubt the existance of T-80 and T-90 on US military base. I think I've posted enough links to T-80's for sale here. I'll agree with your opinion that the US didn't obtain T-90 (or parts of) by legal means.