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hullopilllw

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Man, the Iranians just can't control themselves. As soon as they get into peace with Sunnis, they want to start fighting with Americans and get them to pull out of Syria.

This can end up backfiring spectacularly on them. Biden is not going to want to look weak on this Iranian issue.
I am always curious to how Iran will perform in a conventional warfare against the US.
 

Biscuits

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Are you saying that China directed Russia to attack Ukraine and Iran to attack American bases in Syria? That's very serious accusations and I doubt China has this kind of power over either countries. It can't even get NK to do what it wants.
It's just lucky timing. That's all.
When lightning strikes 5 times in the same spot guess it's just lucky timing. But that is what people should want Americans to think.

China isn't literally saying "go do this, it's an order" but they can influence countries that have reasons to do stuff, and enable it.

And China has NK doing precisely it's job.
 

vincent

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When lightning strikes 5 times in the same spot guess it's just lucky timing. But that is what people should want Americans to think.

China isn't literally saying "go do this, it's an order" but they can influence countries that have reasons to do stuff, and enable it.

And China has NK doing precisely it's job.
by your logic, did China direct Al Qaeda on 911 as well?
 

Overbom

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They know Americans are overstretched. All production capacity is going to Ukraine. All stockpiles are low. Banks about to collapse so no more military budget hike.

Once US is out of Syria it will compel Israel on the negotiation table.
Syria is a trap for Americans. Russia, Iran, China have set it up for Americans. Its US' choice to either walk into it or leave

From China's perspective, whatever choice the US makes, it will be a win.

The Saudi - Iran deal has minimised Iran's strategic and military pressure which allows it to refocus to its real target.
I am also that China is also more than happy rhat Iran is now switching its target to US instead of KSA.

The only danger is if Biden decides to flip the tables, but that would overstretch the American Empire, so I doubt Biden would go for that
 

CMP

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Syria is a trap for Americans. Russia, Iran, China have set it up for Americans. Its US' choice to either walk into it or leave

From China's perspective, whatever choice the US makes, it will be a win.

The Saudi - Iran deal has minimised Iran's strategic and military pressure which allows it to refocus to its real target.
I am also that China is also more than happy rhat Iran is now switching its target to US instead of KSA.

The only danger is if Biden decides to flip the tables, but that would overstretch the American Empire, so I doubt Biden would go for that
They aren't in a position to invade Iran while Russia is engaged in Ukraine. If the imperialists fully engage in Iran, Russia would surge in Ukraine.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Man, the Iranians just can't control themselves. As soon as they get into peace with Sunnis, they want to start fighting with Americans and get them to pull out of Syria.

This can end up backfiring spectacularly on them. Biden is not going to want to look weak on this Iranian issue.
its the opposite. there was 10+ years of strategic patience. entire 5th fleet is in the Per.si.an Gulf which is bristling with SAMs, subs and antiship missiles. It can be blocked with some barrel mines dumped into the water at the Stra.its of Hor.mu.z.

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listen here to around 50 to 54 minute mark by Alexander. Interesting he made in there. US continues to downsize its presence in the middle east. It says to deal with China, but let's face it, US forces are shrinking in general and I'm not seeing a larger presence in 7th fleet. But bring number of aircraft down to 20 F-15/16s + a few A-10s and a 2 ships aren't going to scare anywhere in the region.

The Saudis will continue to see this as lack of American involvement in the region, which will prompt them to further defy America and get closer to China.
 

drowingfish

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Man, the Iranians just can't control themselves. As soon as they get into peace with Sunnis, they want to start fighting with Americans and get them to pull out of Syria.

This can end up backfiring spectacularly on them. Biden is not going to want to look weak on this Iranian issue.
you are making a big assumption thinking that iran has full control of its militias. it could very well be some elements being unhappy about the iran-saudi detente, or false flag operation by israel...who knows. I really doubt iran wants to do this, last time they did suleimani got assassinated.
 
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