Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

ougoah

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It was dropped from the second bay rather than a combined super bay. It is therefore at most, slightly less than the length of the second bay. So this suggests it is a new cruise missile similar to storm shadow and the like. I still doubt they did this over Syria. The Su-57s were supposed to have left. Also should add, this clearly isn't fanart with the video you provided.
 
whatever IT is, LOL it's not fan art: I followed the link from the tweet posted in
#2593 Hyperwarp, 30 minutes ago
and IT is official, appearing since 05:35 in the vid
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and introduced as "cruise missile" by the GA Shoigu (interestingly, there's "multipurpose cruise missile" in the transcript
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but he didn't say "multipurpose" in the vid; I think "multipurpose cruise missile"
многоцелевая крылатая ракета
might mean also loitering munition)
adding IT is supposed to be relatively short-ranged (because it's "tactical operational" which should mean hitting within 500 (five-hundred) km from the front line)

for example the Tochka is "tactical operational" (but ballistic) missile
 

ougoah

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Was that when Su-57 was in Syria? So the few days/weeks they flew those over, they conducted these tests? If the missile was used in Syria, it wasn't to test it. They would have tested the missile before using it in actual combat. They would have tested Su-57 dropping the new missile before as well. So it's either a mission or the footage is not from Syria. If the former, why use such an expensive asset? Maybe they have their own reasons but I wonder.

Certainly an interesting (new?) cruise missile. Doesn't look like a stealthy one like what the Europeans have but it is small enough to fit into Su-57 bays at least.
 

Tirdent

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It was dropped from the second bay rather than a combined super bay. It is therefore at most, slightly less than the length of the second bay. So this suggests it is a new cruise missile similar to storm shadow and the like. I still doubt they did this over Syria. The Su-57s were supposed to have left. Also should add, this clearly isn't fanart with the video you provided.

Yes, there is no indication whatsoever that the main bays on the Su-57 can be joined (although there are certainly other aircraft which have this capability - the B-1B mid and rear bays come to mind) and every reason to believe it is impossible.

Like you I don't know what to make of the claim that it was done in Syria, but then the entire deployment of the aircraft down there made no sense, so I suppose it can't be dismissed out of hand on the basis of logic...

This is the missile in question:

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JSM-ski, basically (though closer in size to SLAM-ER). Think you can fit a pair of these in *one half* of the F-22 main bay? Not so shallow after all - a 1000 pound JDAM (the bulkiest piece of ordnance on the Raptor) has a smaller envelope than 0.4x0.4m :)
 

Tirdent

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Doesn't look like a stealthy one like what the Europeans have but it is small enough to fit into Su-57 bays at least.

It's certainly not stealthy in the same way as JASSM or Storm Shadow, but the survivability concept could be similar to the AGM-129 ACM: low front/rear sector RCS in combination with terrain following. By flying in ground clutter, the only threat radars are pulse-doppler type which are vulnerable to "notching" against beam aspect targets, so a slab-sided (or cylindrical, in the case of the AGM-129) airframe with large beam aspect RCS is acceptable.
 

Tirdent

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Good spot! What are those?
Hey Tirdent, any ideas?

Not sure - they might be related to an IR suppression measure (openings to release the mysterious aerosol?) or it could simply be a non-final installation for pure engine tests. As there is only one engine, I would hesitate to assume #052 is representative of a production configuration in this regard, it's most likely just a convenient test bed for carrying the engine round a fighter flight envelope. I.e. they might as well have put it into a Flanker or a MiG-25, the fact that it's a T-50 is not necessarily significant.
 
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