Russian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

Stealthflanker · Jun 3, 2022

So, are Russians gonna be unable to make new say Kalibrs or Kh-101's in the future ? Or they can't make smaller stuff ? e.g Kh-69 ? Like i saw reports on well twitter that Ukraine General Staff said that those missiles i mentioned above are having 1970's and 1980's components. If such components industries still exist in Russia, wont that mean there will still be production of new missiles to replace the batch expended in special military operation.

Or maybe like similar presentation from Motorsich depicting the ratio between Russian vs Ukrainian components in Antonov aircraft, which 72% of AN-124 are Russians.

To my knowledge having smaller processor or chips in weapons have benefit in terms of weight, as smaller chip may usually consume less power thus require smaller or even can work noncooled. The seeker or guidance can be lighter or occupy less space, thus more space for payload or fuel. Which turn allows the weapon to be built in smaller size. Or in large weapon it allows much longer range or larger warhead. Or it allows smaller weapon to be guided, e.g APKWS or the GMLRS.

gelgoog · Jun 4, 2022

Those might have been older refurbished Kh-101 or missiles made from older chip stocks. It makes sense they would use those first.
I doubt the latest cruise missiles would still use those chips.

FairAndUnbiased · Jun 4, 2022

vincent said:
"据北方华创统计，半导体设备零部件的国产化率约10%-30%。"
Only 10-30% of components in domestic semiconductor manufacturing equipment are from domestic sources

国产化率 is an interesting term. it is just 含糊 enough to let the imagination run wild. but actually, it is a term that is not very meaningful.

is this by value or component number? that can be very different.

is this NAURA's internal number, or is this their market research? very different implications for either case.

is this the same for every single instrument made by NAURA? which instruments are higher in localization, which are lower?

if they can say "国产化率约10%-30%" with certainty then surely they know which suppliers are which, and which components are which. which specific components are imported?

from where are they imported? I know for a fact multiple US companies import critical components from Malaysia, is Malaysia a semiconductor equipment superpower?

many, many questions.

Zichan · Jun 4, 2022

A Russian T-72B3 driving over two anti-tank mines, before being finally killed by an ATGM missile, possibly Stugna. Might want to dial down the audio first. I am impressed the tank was still mobile after the first anti-tank mine detonation.

The weirdest thing is the tank commander having a phone call on top of a burning tank and even after the ATGM hit he doesn't appear particularly concerned about the very strong probability that the tank might blow up and just crouches next to it to continue his call. There might have been someone still inside when the missile hit?

Soldier30 · Jun 4, 2022

The video shows the Russian unified R-149MA1 command and control vehicle designed to provide control and communication at the tactical level in the parking lot or on the move. The communication machine is built on the base - BTR-80 in the back of K1Sh1 and transmits information, including video, via several communication channels at once. The R-149MA1 communication vehicle is capable of conducting all-round surveillance of the battlefield and can create communication networks even in isolation from the main forces. It is also possible to use electronic maps of the area and plot the operational-tactical situation on them with the possibility of its transmission via communication channels. The communication range of the BERRY-149MA1 in the VHF band, up to 25 km in motion and up to 55 km in the parking lot with a mast. In the HF range in the parking lot with a mast up to 350 km, in motion up to 50 km. The crew of the car is 6 people.

The Russian Ministry of Defense for the first time showed the work of the newest operational-tactical EW complex Palantin-K in Ukraine. The Palantin complex is 2-3 times superior to the capabilities of the Russian electronic warfare systems of the previous generation. The Russian Palantin-K electronic warfare complex independently detects and disables enemy UAVs, intercepts the signal, and includes interference. The system operates at a distance of more than twenty kilometers, and not with a directed beam, but with a point. This means that the electronic warfare "Palantin" is capable of suppressing communication and Internet sources in enemy positions without violating civilian infrastructure. The exact characteristics of the Palantin-K electronic warfare complex are classified.

sheogorath · Jun 4, 2022

Zichan said:
The weirdest thing is the tank commander having a phone call on top of a burning tank and even after the ATGM hit he doesn't appear particularly concerned about the very strong probability that the tank might blow up and just crouches next to it to continue his call.

If the caroussel wasn't compromised or was empty and there aren't any extra shells around the fighting compartment, the chance of it exploding are pretty low.

tokenanalyst · Jun 4, 2022

vincent said:
Chinese equipment contain lots of foreign components (90% in some according to a research report). The equipment makers most likely don’t want to upset their European/Japanese suppliers.

The last report I read was much less and getting better every year, but that depends on the equipment and it also depends on the part.
In volume the vast majority of the parts of their semiconductor equipment components are made in China and some even in-house. There are parts where the localization rate is lower and that's where the confusion comes from, some parts less than others.
The Chinese are getting good at making parts and subsystems for their equipment, Naura affiliates are making precision parts for semiconductor equipment, and other companies are making advanced lasers, interferometers, optical components, ultra-clean pipe fittings, technology vacuum, high-power precision devices, RF matching devices and so on. It's an area they're quickly tackling.

tokenanalyst · Jun 4, 2022

FairAndUnbiased said:
国产化率 is an interesting term. it is just 含糊 enough to let the imagination run wild. but actually, it is a term that is not very meaningful.

is this by value or component number? that can be very different.

is this NAURA's internal number, or is this their market research? very different implications for either case.

is this the same for every single instrument made by NAURA? which instruments are higher in localization, which are lower?

if they can say "国产化率约10%-30%" with certainty then surely they know which suppliers are which, and which components are which. which specific components are imported?

from where are they imported? I know for a fact multiple US companies import critical components from Malaysia, is Malaysia a semiconductor equipment superpower?

many, many questions.

Naura is critical semiconductor part supplier in China. So sell fear and your will sell more components.

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vincent · Jun 4, 2022

tokenanalyst said:
The last report I read was much less and getting better every year, but that depends on the equipment and it also depends on the part.
In volume the vast majority of the parts of their semiconductor equipment components are made in China and some even in-house. There are parts where the localization rate is lower and that's where the confusion comes from, some parts less than others.
The Chinese are getting good at making parts and subsystems for their equipment, Naura affiliates are making precision parts for semiconductor equipment, and other companies are making advanced lasers, interferometers, optical components, ultra-clean pipe fittings, technology vacuum, high-power precision devices, RF matching devices and so on. It's an area they're quickly tackling.

Not to belittle Chinese semiconductor companies progress, but supply blockage of any foreign components means long delays till the domestic versions can be developed. My point is Chinese companies will not risk upsetting their foreign suppliers by selling their products to Russia.

tokenanalyst · Jun 4, 2022

vincent said:
Not to belittle Chinese semiconductor companies progress, but supply blockage of any foreign components means long delays till the domestic versions can be developed. My point is Chinese companies will not risk upsetting their foreign suppliers by selling their products to Russia.

I never say that you where belittling the China semi industry, i was just responding to your comment and it was never personal.

Yes in the short term is very risky for any company to get involved with Russia right now and much less with the Russian military, even if Chinese companies are more or less independent, now that the Russia are getting sanctioned not just by Americans but by the Europeans and everyone else too, it could harm even potential future business in Europe or everywhere else. I am not denying that.

BUT There is one Chinese company, that is very secretive, is already sanctioned, is very independent and if the Chinese government wants could help the Russian military get their hands of pretty advanced military grade electronics and could cooperate with the Russians to advance both countries semiconductor industries in that area, that company is CETC. The Chinese have ways to deal with this kind of situations.
But that is IF the Russian get over their Euro complex and stop seeing the Chinese as their junior partners.

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