I'm going to say it out loud and I am sure the Russophiles are going to get mad.
I take this as a bad sign for the PAK-DA. If the new bomber was just around the corner, then restarting the Tu-160 line makes zero sense.
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I'm going to say it out loud and I am sure the Russophiles are going to get mad.
I take this as a bad sign for the PAK-DA. If the new bomber was just around the corner, then restarting the Tu-160 line makes zero sense.
That'd be like saying the continued production of modernized H-6's is a bad sign for the H-20.
The PAK-DA will most likely be a subsonic stealth flying wing, filling a different role from the Tu-160.
The PAK-DA will most likely be a subsonic stealth flying wing, filling a different role from the Tu-160.
Much of the infrastructure they built in order to produce the Tu-160M, as well as some of the systems in the aircraft, will be used in the PAK-DA. For example the same engines are supposed to be used in both aircraft. They also built large titanium parts construction facilities.
This project allowed them to shake down the processes used to design and build heavy bombers. This aircraft was designed with modern 3D tools. It is basically a reimplementation of the Tu-160M.
Like @sheogorath said both aircraft have different roles. The Tu-160M will be a high speed missile cruise missile launcher. Possibly will carry hypersonic cruise missiles.
This project allowed them to shake down the processes used to design and build heavy bombers. This aircraft was designed with modern 3D tools. It is basically a reimplementation of the Tu-160M.
Like @sheogorath said both aircraft have different roles. The Tu-160M will be a high speed missile cruise missile launcher. Possibly will carry hypersonic cruise missiles.
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You would be right if China had the economy the size of Russia...
I never expected them to deliver any Tu160 in this decade.
After following the project disasters of the 00s, like the Foating Nuclear Power plant, and nearly all other project this is incredible advancement.
The best thing that happened with Russia is the 2014 USA coup in Ukraine.
Since that the qualitative and quantitative capability of the goverment, industry and military increased by magnitude.
They had to decrease to zero the high level corruption to reach this level.
Russia aviation industry produce much more than Chinese aviation industry. you have to look deeper.
This Russian PMs official statement. Russia is largest energy power. world thinks that US produce most energy all forms. (Oil/Gas/Electric)
This is like when gringos try to compare defense budgets as a measure of technical prowess and capability and not taking into account how much of the russian imc is self-reliant and paid for in rubles
If they were trying to restart the Tu-95 line, then you'd have a point. At the end of the day, the Tu-160M project was started back when the PAK-DA was only a concept they weren't even sure they'd go ahead with.
Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim?
I know China does not have a large civilian aircraft industry, but how about Russia? In military aircraft, I think China produce more, but maybe Russia also produces for export, so I'm not sure who produces more in total. My guess is either way, the difference probably is not large.
So I kinda' doubt your claim of "much more," but am really curious.
If you talk about producing Oil & Gas, I'm pretty sure Russia leads China by a large margin, since China does not have much of either domestically. But if you include electricity generation, well, that's something else entirely. No country beats China, not even close.
SSJ production is much higher than ARJ21. SSJ has much greater range and speed.
similar situation is with transport helicopters, and transports. 15 IL-76 in addition to An-124 transport at same time parked in one airport for Kazak operations. It is very high tempo of operations.
Titanium, composites and engines. You can see 3000L tanks fuel tanks under Russian fighters but not Chinese.
similar situation is with snow ability for round the clock operations. it is individual product requirements that are much higher.
They are building more than 300 shelters for latest aircraft. so size of procurement after 2021.
Russia already built shelters and two run ways at Syria airbase but still planes park outside.
they also supporting similar scale of operations in Africa. so theory is shelters cannot keep pace with quantity of aircraft.
statistics of claims and ground reality maybe different. they surely has more access to data.
You're mixing up a lot of different things and are not answering my questions or backing up your claims.
SSJ is likely to be more advanced than ARJ-21, but what is the annual production number?
Y-20 is more advanced and modern than IL-76, and China certainly produces more than 15 of them annually now. Any larger deployment of these aircraft or An-124 in Kazakstan is totally irrelevant to your claim.
And, again, I suspect China produces a lot of J-10C's, J-16's, J-15, J-20, and many other military aircraft, more than Russia does its military aircraft. I'm asking you to back up your claims with evidence. You appear to be either unwilling or unable.
What are you even talking about? I already give you that Russia produces more Oil and Gas than China. But it's your claim about electricity generation that I challenged. You just seem to be b**tting your way out.
Let me put it this way: in electricity generation (and energy consumption), , simply because China is so much larger of an industrial power than Russia. You need face ground reality, not live in the fantasy claims of Jail Hind land.
