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It doesn't seem to be aimed at achieving high level stealth. nor stealth from most angles. But that may be beside the point.
If the point of the whole project is to be able to make a cheap to buy and cheap to operate jet with some benefits of the 5th generation fighters, then LTS may be hitting just the right balance between capability and price.

Of all the Russian planes so far, this one has the greatest potential to do big export business. Providing the initial funding is there and providing the timetable DOES NOT slip. Meaning prototype flight by 2023 and production by 2026, as Rostec officials said.

Atleast five nations have displaced interested in buying the SU-57 while at MAKS

Interesting given that they just showed off their checkmate which was meant to be their shiny new export.

According to an interview done to the LTS's head designer, what was used in the presentation is a static tests frame.


Which explains why it seems less plastic-y/wood-ish than usual, compared to the F-35 mockup.

avatar1234 said:

It doesn't seem to be aimed at achieving high level stealth. nor stealth from most angles. But that may be beside the point.
If the point of the whole project is to be able to make a cheap to buy and cheap to operate jet with some benefits of the 5th generation fighters, then LTS may be hitting just the right balance between capability and price.

Of all the Russian planes so far, this one has the greatest potential to do big export business. Providing the initial funding is there and providing the timetable DOES NOT slip. Meaning prototype flight by 2023 and production by 2026, as Rostec officials said.

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The price point list is obviously way under bid.
in terms of Stealth yeah it’s meant to focus stealth to the frontal aspect kinda like another Russia fighter I know. Same for an American one.
I highly question on production date. They have a horrible track record on this.

foxmulder said:

haha, good they learnt from Lockmart marketting

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no you get the whole package it’s just getting the infrastructure and servicing on time. Kinda to much success at once without the support online. Fifth gens are maintenance intensive types. If you don’t support them they degrade to superfluous.

sheogorath said:

Kuznetsov was built from the grounds-up as a full flat top, Baku/Gorshkov/Vikramatdiya wasn't.

Also, I don't get all the mocking. If I wanted to see people waving their jingonationalistic dicks like little childs, I'd stick to anglo forums.

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And, they removed the SSMs and are redoing the whole ski-ramp; so, just like adding one on! Did it originally come with a tugboat built-in, too???
The, “mocking”, as you call it, is a reasonable response to the disparities between Russian hype vs Russian delivery. Even the Indians didn’t burn-up their first production variant of their newest jet fighter! Who does that???

With all the, “CHECKMATE”, hype, some were expecting something, at least, out of the ordinary, if not particularly extraordinary. What’s we got was simply ordinary. Maybe, a 4.125 gen fighter. So, maybe it replaced the MiG 4.12

TerraN_EmpirE said:

I highly question on production date. They have a horrible track record on this.

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there seem to be more confidence now than like 10 years before.
You can read about MIG-29KR and SU-30SM for Russian Navy or MIG-29M to Egypt . they quickly delivered. There is no evidence anyone can deliver product to a new customer faster than above examples. Whether customer is internal or external. its new and product is tailored made for it. weopons, systems and pilots need qualification trials.
Production rate will depend how far it is synchronized with S-70/Su-57. Parked at same place.

pmc said:

there seem to be more confidence now than like 10 years before.
You can read about MIG-29KR and SU-30SM for Russian Navy or MIG-29M to Egypt . they quickly delivered. There is no evidence anyone can deliver product to a new customer faster than above examples. Whether customer is internal or external. its new and product is tailored made for it. weopons, systems and pilots need qualification trials.
Production rate will depend how far it is synchronized with S-70/Su-57. Parked at same place.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1406215694484652038

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I am more worried about part availability, maintenance, and other services after 10 years.

james smith esq said:

The, “mocking”, as you call it, is a reasonable response to the disparities between Russian hype vs Russian delivery. Even the Indians didn’t burn-up their first production variant of their newest jet fighter! Who does that???

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Thats just some dumb "logic", accident can and do happen at any stage of the production and introduction process of a plane.

India could too, if they actually built anything in any relevant capacity

The US has crashed from prototype to initial production frames. I guess they deserve your derission.

You would seem more at home in the TheWarZone comment section.

james smith esq said:

With all the, “CHECKMATE”, hype, some were expecting something, at least, out of the ordinary, if not particularly extraordinary. What’s we got was simply ordinary. Maybe, a 4.125 gen fighter. So, maybe it replaced the MiG 4.12

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Claiming the Checkmate is just a "4.125 gen" fighter is the type of childish comment worthy of an anglo forum that also mocks China for copying everything not bolted down to the ground, than any kind of serious comment andanalysis

sheogorath said:

Thats just some dumb "logic", accident can and do happen at any stage of the production and introduction process of a plane.

India could too, if they actually built anything in any relevant capacity

The US has crashed from prototype to initial production frames. I guess they deserve your derission.

You would seem more at home in the TheWarZone comment section.




Claiming the Checkmate is just a "4.125 gen" fighter is the type of childish comment worthy of an anglo forum that also mocks China for copying everything not bolted down to the ground, than any kind of serious comment andanalysis

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An accident is something that could not have been anticipated or avoided. That’s the difference between the Russians’ practice and others’. Most of their mishaps occur due to the poor planning, execution, and negligence born of an overconfidence that seems to consistently be preceded by hype. Hype, that’s plain, for some, to see, is driven by an insecure need to impress.

And, being impressed by a flashy, “Hollywood”, style presentation of a supposed “Checkmate” platform, that demonstrates neither groundbreaking technologies nor tactical advances, is indicative of higher critical-intelligence, right???

You speak of childishness; seems to me that your familiarity derives from your proximity.

And, as far as your references to Anglos, English is my native, not my chosen, language. I certainly would not have chosen or accepted English as a second language. I’m not that enamored of Anglos! So, ???

The Russians produce cutting-edge ICBMs and SAM systems. Of course, their factories do have a tendency to blow-up!

james smith esq said:

4.125 gen

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If you are not familiar with the meaning of term "fighter generation" - this is acceptable, but would it be possible for you to kindly educate yourself first?
Simply to maintain some basic standards of discussion.