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TerraN_EmpirE

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The strategic value of the ship is not so great that Russia should hesitate to make use of it to make use of it in support of Syria.
And no doubt it's use will be of great value to the morale of the crew and the navy.
But the news we got doesn't seem to be from a reliable source.
Unless the Russians were to loose there Airbase, there is no real reason to being in the Kuz other then to play for prestige. Even then I doubt it.
 

Jeff Head

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The Buyan-M Corvettes, with their capabilities to launch either anti-ship, or land attack cruise missiles from their VLS are a way Russia has found to build that type of capability far cheaper than doing so on a Burke, or a Tico, or a Virginia class submarine.

Of course, there are only eight such missiles be platform (a 1,000 ton platform) and their range and sustainment are not great), where the US vessels can carry scores of missiles.

But they have developed and now demonstrated a capability nonetheless, and one has to respect the Russians for doing so, and then s\\demonstrating it to the world.

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They have built and commissioned six of these for the Caspian Sea Flotilla. They are building more for the Black Sea Fleet. Tow of those have been launched and four more are building.

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FORBIN

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The Buyan-M Corvettes, with their capabilities to launch either anti-ship, or land attack cruise missiles from their VLS are a way Russia has found to build that type of capability far cheaper than doing so on a Burke, or a Tico, or a Virginia class submarine.

Of course, there are only eight such missiles be platform (a 1,000 ton platform) and their range and sustainment are not great), where the US vessels can carry scores of missiles.

But they have developed and now demonstrated a capability nonetheless, and one has to respect the Russians for doing so, and then s\\demonstrating it to the world.

They have built and commissioned six of these for the Caspian Sea Flotilla. They are building more for the Black Sea Fleet. Tow of those have been launched and four more are building.

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Not to be confused Buyan M/21631 and Buyan/21630 without missiles in service in Caspian Sea Flotilla 3 and 3 also very soon two 21631 for Black Sea Fleet planned 9.

The Buyan-M Corvettes, with their capabilities to launch either anti-ship, or land attack cruise missiles from their VLS are a way Russia has found to build that type of capability far cheaper than doing so on a Burke, or a Tico, or a Virginia class submarine.
Of course, there are only eight such missiles be platform (a 1,000 ton platform) and their range and sustainment are not great), where the US vessels can carry scores of missiles.
But they have developed and now demonstrated a capability nonetheless, and one has to respect the Russians for doing so, and then s\\demonstrating it to the world.
Yes but no also :)

Because VLS no reloading possible in Sea and as you ask only 8 maximum by ships then need time for go to port re supply etc.. and US Ships carry much more ofc about 20/30 as i think and you have yet say, an idea, no match.
About 3000 for 130 MSC/SSN and you have this number about for give an idea.
Then new capability but no comparison with USN and also USAF with AGM-86 and now much AGM-158A/B.

Very interesting get long range LACM because useful ofc vs different targets but mainly usefull vs air bases and especialy neutralize ennemy CAP before an attack with aircrafts, AA defences also in particular double digit Russian SAM in fact do SEAD missions.

Also CGN Nakhimov in modernization with about 8 ? of this UKSK VLS after can carry a very decent load :) max about 60 theoretically but with SSM in fact about 20 LACM which remains a weapon more special and less numerous/common.
 
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Jura

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"Admirals Triple" is going to be sold to India, to kinda solve the problem of their propulsion (the background:
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(I posted several times about unavailability of Ukrainian engines, as in here: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/russian-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1545/page-194#post-341565
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Russia Hoping to Export Three Sanction-hit Admiral Grigorovich-Class Frigates
Russia may export its final three Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356M) frigates, which are lacking their Ukrainian engines due to sanctions. Ship has full displacement: 4,035 tons, and length 124.8 m (photo : reddit)
Russia is hoping to find an export customer for the final three Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356M) frigates currently being built for the Russian Navy, a source told IHS Jane's .
"The Defence Ministry is reallocating the money, initially set aside for the other three frigates, to the construction of other ships it badly needs. Meetings of Defence Ministry and Federal Military Technical Co-operation Service officials suggested that a solution could be to export the ships," the source said.
The vessels are being constructed at the Kaliningrad-based Yantar Shipyard and use a Ukrainian Zorya-Mashproyekt gas-turbine propulsion plant. While Russia has already received the propulsion systems for the first three vessels, Ukraine's termination of defence exports to Russia has left the final three without their turbines.

Saturn was to build alternative M90FP turbines for the class under Russia's import substitution programme. However these cannot be completed before 2019-2020, with this further delay to an already delayed build programme not suiting the Russian Navy.
While Ukraine will not supply the engines to Russia, the option is open for an export customer to acquire the vessels from Russia and the engines separately from Ukraine.
The Indian Navy has expressed an interest in receiving three Admiral Grigorovich-class vessels, which are based on its six Russian-built Talwar-class frigates. However, in July India noted it was looking to licence-build the design in India, rather than to purchase them already built. It is not clear whether India has now changed its aims to licence-build the vessels, or whether it may look to do both.
The first-of-class Admiral Grigorovich is currently conducting state sea trials, and is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet in November (two years behind schedule).
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Jeff Head

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Russia Hoping to Export Three Sanction-hit Admiral Grigorovich-Class Frigates

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So, does this mean that the Russian Black sea fleet will keep the first three:

Admiral Grigorovich
Admiral Essen
Admiral Makarov

All three of those are already launched with two of them about to commission is my understanding.

Then the next three, two of which have already been laid down and are under construction, end up going to India?
 

Brumby

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Russian Strikes in Syria a Sort of Show-and-Tell of Unexpected Strength

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An interesting article on how the Russian military has reconstituted itself under Putin and its ability to conduct modern warfare. It is not some backward military as some might still claim.
 

Brumby

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Yes but no also :)

Because VLS no reloading possible in Sea and as you ask only 8 maximum by ships then need time for go to port re supply etc.. and US Ships carry much more ofc about 20/30 as i think and you have yet say, an idea, no match.
About 3000 for 130 MSC/SSN and you have this number about for give an idea.
Then new capability but no comparison with USN and also USAF with AGM-86 and now much AGM-158A/B.

Very interesting get long range LACM because useful ofc vs different targets but mainly usefull vs air bases and especialy neutralize ennemy CAP before an attack with aircrafts, AA defences also in particular double digit Russian SAM in fact do SEAD missions.

Also CGN Nakhimov in modernization with about 8 ? of this UKSK VLS after can carry a very decent load :) max about 60 theoretically but with SSM in fact about 20 LACM which remains a weapon more special and less numerous/common.
The same problem of reloading VLS also applies to USN ships. One should also note that USN ships carry a variety of weapons in its VLS for different purposes and so the LRCM carried would also be limited. However comparison of this nature is apples and oranges because US ships are designed with different purposes in mind and so represent trade offs relative to the ships own intended mission sets.

I have a question though on the Russian design. On the surface, it does appear that they are able to pack a lot into a relatively small hull. However there are no free lunches. There is something that they are foregoing. I presume is range and sea going capability especially in heavy state. Presumably to pack a lot into the ship may mean that the design is not very stable in heavy seas condition. Am I right?
 
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