Russia sells S-400 systems to China

Air Force Brat said:

That's all very true, but the Chinese see an onslaught of Western 5 gens proliferating in South Korea, Japan, and Australia. The United States Marines are trolling the F-35B around the South China Sea, the F-35Cs squadrons will start proliferating very shortly...... so my guess is those S-400's are gonna be popping up all over the South China Sea as well, ASAP.......

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Big brass on those flyboys. I wouldn't want to face a S400 even on a clean F35 especially in a full multilayered IADS environment. The S400 is magnitudes better than the S300 and that's a pretty good SAM in itself especially the later variants.

I could identify the first two Chinese S-400 sites just south of Beijing 39.576683° 116.760829° / 39.563190° 116.415458°.





The former S-300 sites - temporarily unoccupied in 2018 - are equipped with 5P85T2 TEL types (as used in S-300PMU-2 sites).
They are supported by a 91N6 Big Bird Radar (over here 39.566298° 116.405858°).
It seems that China is still careful to cover the truck cabin with some tarpaulins. But one shot in the history layer of google earth shows the MZKT 7930 truck!

5P85T2 and 96L6 is also in use with S-300PMU2. And at the given resolution it is not possible to distinguish 30N6 and 92N6.
But the use of the 91N6 (which is clearly visible) identify this complex definitely as S-400 complex (probably 13th RGT).

In times of declining numbers of S-300PS the use of 5P85T2 (instead of 5P85S2) makes it more hard to distinguish S-300PMU2 and S-400 in case of redeployment and would explain their choice in favor of 5P85S2, which are almost in exclusive use in Russian Forces.

Via JSCh. Yup they need to operate this AD missile ASAP the war drum is hear in the distance

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The delivery of the entire regiment set to China envisages "involving no less than three vessels" that will take to the sea one by one within short time intervals


S-400 surface-to-air missile systems
© Sergei Malgavko/TASS

MOSCOW, July 24. /TASS/. Russia has launched an operation to deliver the 2nd regiment set of S-400 surface-to-air missile systems to China by sea, a source in military and diplomatic circles told TASS on Wednesday.

"A transport vessel with the first batch of hardware from the second S-400 regiment set for China has taken to the sea from the port of Ust-Luga on the Baltic coast. Therefore, like in the case with Turkey, the deliveries of the systems have started several months ahead of the term stipulated in the contract," the source said.

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The delivery of the entire S-400 regiment set to China envisages "involving no less than three vessels" that will take to the sea one by one "within short time intervals," the source added.

Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation declined to comment for TASS on the information provided by the source.

China became the first foreign buyer of Russia’s most advanced S-400 ‘Triumf’ surface-to-air missile systems. Russia signed a contract with China on the delivery of two regiment sets of S-400 air defense missile systems in 2014.

The first regiment set of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems was delivered to China in the spring of 2018. The Chinese military successfully test-fired the missile launchers from the first S-400 regiment set, striking an aerodynamic and a ballistic target at its firing ranges.

It would have been much faster and safer if Russia delivered the remaining S-400s to China by train instead. Seeing as the last one ended up at the bottom of the English Channel.

They could have delivered it by sending the missiles to Siberia and then to Kharbarovsk or the Amur, then down the border of Heliojiang to Harbin and then southward.

Su-35 deliveries just fly off from Amur to the south to China. And maintenance is just as quick by flying the jets north past the border to KnAAPO.

Viktor Jav said:

It would have been much faster and safer if Russia delivered the remaining S-400s to China by train instead. Seeing as the last one ended up at the bottom of the English Channel.

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It was Chinese that wanted it to get delivered by sea for whatever reason, so it is being delivered by sea.

Any links to sources for that?

As of why NOT delivery on railroad, it could be due to the limitation of rail car and railway. The missile is 7.825 meters long and 1 meter wide, the launch tubes could be 8.5 meters long and 1.5 meter wide. The length is not a problem for an ordinary freight car, but the width could be. A standard freight car is around 13 meters long, but only 3.2 meters wide. Putting two launch tubes side by side with enough gaps in between could be dangerously tight or even impossible. Putting only one launch tube would take too many cars just for the missiles. Besides, the TEL (the long range one) would have to be broken into two pieces because of its length adding another two train cars. All these will negate the advantage of railroad (the shorter time).

Why would sea delivery being a problem? Just because last delivery? Accident happens, and sea freight isn't more risky than railway. Just because of you had a bad luck hitting the 1% in the sea, does not mean you won't avoid the 1% on land.

taxiya said:

As of why NOT delivery on railroad, it could be due to the limitation of rail car and railway. The missile is 7.825 meters long and 1 meter wide, the launch tubes could be 8.5 meters long and 1.5 meter wide. The length is not a problem for an ordinary freight car, but the width could be. A standard freight car is around 13 meters long, but only 3.2 meters wide. Putting two launch tubes side by side with enough gaps in between could be dangerously tight or even impossible. Putting only one launch tube would take too many cars just for the missiles. Besides, the TEL (the long range one) would have to be broken into two pieces because of its length adding another two train cars. All these will negate the advantage of railroad (the shorter time).

Why would sea delivery being a problem? Just because last delivery? Accident happens, and sea freight isn't more risky than railway. Just because of you had a bad luck hitting the 1% in the sea, does not mean you won't avoid the 1% on land.

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I don't trust "Davey Jones"?? LOL he may like the first batch so well, he might parley for a second? AAAaaaaaRRRRVVVVV!

Air Force Brat said:

I don't trust "Davey Jones"?? LOL he may like the first batch so well, he might parley for a second? AAAaaaaaRRRRVVVVV!

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Well, we don't know if the missiles were severely damaged or dropped in the sea last time, the Russians' words "liquidate" can be interpreted in many ways, who knows.