Russia sells S-400 systems to China


Tam

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Have not seen any of these "official sources" from the Chinese. As far as I'm aware GDC is either an Indian or American operated faux news site like the mushrooms that are everywhere on Facebook and Youtube (90% of which are actually Indian even if they pretend not to be and don't disclose their locations). S-400 in its current form may not be able to really be effective against HGVs, ICBM warheads, and VLO targets. Shock horror lol. When Beijing bought S-400, they would have known this from the beginning and tested the system. It provides certain air defence gaps HQ-9B doesn't and this includes long range. The S-400 basically covers ALL of Taiwan and on paper approaches 1.5x the range of the HQ-9B, at least the long range missile does. The fire control and radar units are very different to the Chinese approach since splitting from the S-300PMUs and adopting Patriot style search and fire control radars. Perhaps there were/are things worth investigating and adopting with regards to the S-400. Intercepting HGVs and F-22s were never realistic except for fanboy noise.
Patriot style means they have both the search and fire control radar on the same vehicle, if not the same panel. But that's not true of the HQ-9. Like the S-300, HQ-9 uses a separate search radar and fire control radar, such as Type 305A and HT-233. That gives better redundancy, and an added layer of risk to the attacker. For example, against SEAD, only the search radars are used to scan the sky, but the fire control radars are kept quiet. If the SEAD aircraft strikes at the search radars, they won't know where the fire control radars are until those radars are illuminating them and missiles are already on the way. Destroying the dedicated search radars will not shut down the fire control radars which may have a search and track option on their own.

Having the search radars separate means you are open to using different search radars, including metric wave radars that work on VHF/UHF.

In the case of the Chinese S-400s, I suspect the Russian fire control radars may also be able to link with the existing network of Chinese search radars, including those metric wave AESAs as well as the Type 305A and 305B used with the HQ-9 complex.

Having dislocated search radars means these search radars can serve not just S-400s, but older S-300s, HQ-9, HQ-22, HQ-12 and HQ-16 batteries.

HQ-16 radar system is unique for having a dual band radar system, so it may be able to do search and fire control both in the same panel, but it still works with a dedicated search radar.

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Phead128

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Can someone explain the discrepancy in this photo?
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duskseeker

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Can someone explain the discrepancy in this photo?
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Butt hurt Indians wanting to be needed and accepted by Russians they look up to, hating on China with fake news.
 

Phead128

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I remember back in early 2000's internet forums, when US netizens were of course dismissive of PLA/China, I was standing up for China. But never once did myself or other Chinese nationalists ever resort to literally making up shit like the Indians do.

Therefore, I have come to realization that Indians nationalists know they have no hope of matching China indigenously, thus exaggerate the shit out of imported foreign weapons because that's all they got.:rolleyes: It's more like a self-admission than anything, we shouldn't take it personally, but actually pity them because they have to do mental gymnastics to feel proud of something.
 

localizer

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I remember back in early 2000's internet forums, when US netizens were of course dismissive of PLA/China, I was standing up for China. But never once did myself or other Chinese nationalists ever resort to literally making up shit like the Indians do.

Therefore, I have come to realization that Indians nationalists know they have no hope of matching China indigenously, thus exaggerate the shit out of imported foreign weapons because that's all they got.:rolleyes: It's more like a self-admission than anything, we shouldn't take it personally, but actually pity them because they have to do mental gymnastics to feel proud of something.

It's why they're so behind, when do you see Chinese in school or workplace yapping 24/7?
 

ougoah

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Never underestimate your rival, not even when they seem blinded by their ignorance.
China does not underestimate the US or Japan, quite the opposite. India however... well they're not exactly a rival. The most damage they could do is the PR nonsense and constant propaganda. It's mildly annoying and not as effective as Anglo American propaganda and the Indian trade war? Well that's already fizzled out to nothing effective. Let's give India some respect when they get to middle power status. It is currently impossible to underestimate India since they are bottom of the barrel in almost every metric.

On military terms, they seem like a threat because they have a small few token high tech programs like ASAT and nukes but those are really half baked. You can't compare India's ASAT program with China's and their nukes are tiny fission weapons they can barely deliver beyond Tibet in any significant numbers. Outside of headcount, they have nothing - can barely compete with PLA from the 1970s with lower nuclear yield and delivery capabilities (similarly large headcount, no real domestic MIC, token projects that require decades more of development).

India's only real hope is one day becoming industrially and economically competitive and that's not happening this decade. They DON'T have time on their side - overpopulation, highest pollution, highest at risk groups from climate change etc. Chances are they break apart from internal disputes and revolutions as their poor and Dalit caste decide enough is enough. You can fool people only so long with the cow shit and Hinduism solves all BS. India is not Russia where it can wait things out for decades and centuries even and bite opportunity when it does come.
 
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