Russia Economy Thread

MortyandRick

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Manufacturing has declined in Russia for the four straight months; civilian economy in recession.
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So similar to the EU and US but not as bad?

Didn't the EU have 3 years of contractions?

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"Eurozone Manufacturing Purchasing Managers' Index (PMI), compiled by S&P Global, fell to 49.8 in September from 50.7 in August - which was the first reading above the 50.0-point line denoting growth since mid-2022."

And didnt the US have 7 months of manufacturing PMI contractions?

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"It was the seventh straight month that the PMI remained below a reading of 50, indicating contraction in manufacturing."
 

manqiangrexue

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Manufacturing has declined in Russia for the four straight months; civilian economy in recession.
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That's a very healthy performance considering they're beating down 30 countries. What is the "civilian economy"? You mean don't count military production when manufacturing shifts there for a war effort? Funny, I've never heard the Western nations say "civilian economy" when measuring their own gdps... they just say "economy" unless trying to pretend Russia's not doing well then we have new terms show up all over the place LOL
 
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gelgoog

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Consumption of durable goods came down because of the extremely high interest rates. But there are already signs of a small recovery in consumer lending after the Russian Central Bank cut the rate down from 21% to 17%.
I also expect civilian aircraft production to resume next year of 2026. At most it might be delayed by another year to 2027 but I kind of doubt it.

The rise of consumer gas prices probably had some impact but Gazprom still needs to fund gasification of the country as imposed by the federal government and they no longer have the revenues from European gas sales to fund it. PoS-2 will only come online likely next decade. The oil industry probably was still dependent on Western imports of equipment and consumables which now are impossible to import directly leading to costly workarounds.

Russia started putting into service large power generation F-class gas turbines of 110 and 170 MW this year. Clearly the energy industry is not only coping but coming up with its own products to replace Western imports.
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magmunta

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That's a very healthy performance considering they're beating down 30 countries. What is the "civilian economy"? You mean don't count military production when manufacturing shifts there for a war effort? Funny, I've never heard the Western nations say "civilian economy" when measuring their own gdps... they just say "economy" unless trying to pretend Russia's not doing well then we have new terms show up all over the place LOL
I am sure you understand what "civilian economy" ought to be; but I think you just don't want to admit that China's ally in overthrowing American hegemony suffers economically. It's really hard, at times, to admit harsh truths to oneself. We are humans and that's very human-like attitude. By the way, the civilian economy is the economy which contributes to the consumers' and producers' surplus excluding war related final goods and services. By the way, the Soviet economy in 1989 was larger than in 1988 due to the growth in military production on the expanses of the civilian, productive part of the economy. Ohh also, the German GDP grew in 1944 compared to 1943 due to the war spending...
 

gelgoog

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The West just amplifies whatever bad news come out of Russia out of proportion. Last winter it was the egg shortages. Well this year there is over supply of eggs in Russia. The US also had egg shortages this year but no one claimed that was a sign of the emminent collapse of the US economy.

The Russian economy seems to be handling this level of military expenditure just fine. There was a lot of fiscal slack, with low flat income tax, and low VAT rates pre-war. Which made it straightfoward to increase those taxes. They are still much lower than in some countries in the EU.

There are also lots of signs of increased automation in mechanical engineering and other sectors of the Russian economy. This will mitigate the labor shortage. This year already the number of open vacancies in the software programming and defense sectors have come down.
 
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