QBZ-191 service rifle family

Mt1701d

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This might also be a retarded idea... but would it be feasible for a UGL with a mechanical fire control group but with a electrical based trigger mechanism... so the hammer or striker or whatever is still mechanical like current systems but the trigger for releasing/firing being a wire with a button that can be attached elsewhere?
 

Aniah

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oke, someone prob gonna tell me my idea is retarded.
But how about a side mounted grenade launcher
We don't do side-mounted grenade launchers for the same reason we don't have magazines loaded from the sides after WW1. Too one-sided heavy and clunky.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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We don't do side-mounted grenade launchers for the same reason we don't have magazines loaded from the sides after WW1. Too one-sided heavy and clunky.
Quick correction. During WW2, German paratroopers used the FG42 in combat as a battle rifle, but in limited quantities. Also, the British Sten and Sterling and the Japanese Type 100 all used side magazines. They were also designed during or before WW2.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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This might also be a retarded idea... but would it be feasible for a UGL with a mechanical fire control group but with a electrical based trigger mechanism... so the hammer or striker or whatever is still mechanical like current systems but the trigger for releasing/firing being a wire with a button that can be attached elsewhere?
Depends on the design. For example, Textron's next-gen squad weapon proposal, if I remember correctly, uses a electrical based trigger mechanism and a mechanical loading system. Based on its diagram, it is extremely complex in comparison to the M4. So there is a higher chance of malfunction if it is dropped or has to endure harsh climates. Plus, from the looks of it, the maintenance of the rifle will be bad.
 

Mt1701d

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Depends on the design. For example, Textron's next-gen squad weapon proposal, if I remember correctly, uses a electrical based trigger mechanism and a mechanical loading system. Based on its diagram, it is extremely complex in comparison to the M4. So there is a higher chance of malfunction if it is dropped or has to endure harsh climates. Plus, from the looks of it, the maintenance of the rifle will be bad.
Are you talking about the Texton squad automatic weapon or the rifle bid? I thought the rifle was a complete mechanical system... though more complex for sure with the lift and everything but the fire control group was fairly similar to a AR15/M4... I haven’t managed to get images or video on the saw so I don’t know about that side tho...

As for the UGL mechanism, just in case of any misunderstanding I am not talking replacing the rifle’s trigger mechanism but the underslung grenade launcher’s, so that the placement of the trigger can be more flexible rather than having the trigger directly behind, think M203, or have a clunky trigger plus grip beneath the fire control group of the UGL, think M320... my thinking was so that it doesn’t interfere with reload on the QBZ-191 and less bulky... so I was thinking either a straight up solenoid striker or something like replacing the trigger action with an electrical base system, something akin to solenoid to release a spring tensioned striker or hammer or whatever...
 
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LawLeadsToPeace

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Are you talking about the Texton squad automatic weapon or the rifle bid? I thought the rifle was a complete mechanical system... though more complex for sure with the lift and everything but the fire control group was fairly similar to a AR15/M4... I haven’t managed to get images or video on the saw so I don’t know about that side tho...

As for the UGL mechanism, just in case of any misunderstanding I am not talking replacing the rifle’s trigger mechanism but the underslung grenade launcher’s, so that the placement of the trigger can be more flexible rather than having the trigger directly behind, think M203, or have a clunky trigger plus grip beneath the fire control group of the UGL, think M320... my thinking was so that it doesn’t interfere with reload on the QBZ-191 and less bulky... so I was thinking either a straight up solenoid striker or something like replacing the trigger action with an electrical base system, something akin to solenoid to release a spring tensioned striker or hammer or whatever...
Yeah, I am talking about the rifle. I heard it uses an electric-mechanic trigger from Task and Purpose (
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), so I used it as an example to illustrate the potential shortcomings of the such system. As for your proposal, my point still stands though. When it comes to war, as of now, electrical based devices aren't the most reliable systems out there and are much more complex to fix. For example, according to some gun nut forums, proposals for a solenoid guns get shot down pretty quickly with some valid reasons; one of which is reliability.
 
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