QBZ-191 service rifle family

Those kind of conditions were regularly experienced in the Western front of Europe during trench warfare. I know I know WW1 really?
As well as in wet season warfare in areas hit by monsoons. Maritime over the beach operations are another possibility. Muddy deltas. Rice paddies are a prime example of a place this could happen.
Then Its a question of how long and how extreme the exposure is. As well as the degree of seal. As the video I posted shows an AR15 type operated well with repeated muddings.
The gap and bolt ejection port are both potential entry points for any number of debris types. The bolt carrier as I pointed out earlier is a moving part. And look carefully you see it’s not a solid face but has contours and indentations where in debris could get caught and cause issues.
Most troops are taught to clean and inspect their weapons after such if possible, smart ones will farther work to seal the gaps preemptively. Condoms on barrels, tape over magazine wells. The simple addition of a ejection port cover though does wonders.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Those kind of conditions were regularly experienced in the Western front of Europe during trench warfare. I know I know WW1 really?
As well as in wet season warfare in areas hit by monsoons. Maritime over the beach operations are another possibility. Muddy deltas. Rice paddies are a prime example of a place this could happen.
Then Its a question of how long and how extreme the exposure is. As well as the degree of seal. As the video I posted shows an AR15 type operated well with repeated muddings.
The gap and bolt ejection port are both potential entry points for any number of debris types. The bolt carrier as I pointed out earlier is a moving part. And look carefully you see it’s not a solid face but has contours and indentations where in debris could get caught and cause issues.
Most troops are taught to clean and inspect their weapons after such if possible, smart ones will farther work to seal the gaps preemptively. Condoms on barrels, tape over magazine wells. The simple addition of a ejection port cover though does wonders.

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They can't add ar-15 style dust cover because it will interfere with the charging handle.


Korea doesn't seem to have problem with exposed receiver though


Though other like Indonesia add sliding dust cover

I think it's safe to assume it's atleast as mud resistant as the QBZ-95 probably more and as far as i know that was never a big issue for the 95

A PAP soldier with a QBZ-191 in the wild (indicated by the red arrow). This is the first image I've come across that shows the rifle in the hands of armed police outside the last national day parade.

I'm surprised the PAP isn't already fully equipped with the new gun. I heard somewhere the time to equip everyone would take approx. 3 years. How likely would this be?

Aniah said:

I'm surprised the PAP isn't already fully equipped with the new gun. I heard somewhere the time to equip everyone would take approx. 3 years. How likely would this be?

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Most likely it may take three years to produce enough rifles to equip everybody. But it would be extremely unlikely that everyone would be equipped with the rifle even in 5 years time.

The QBZ 95, especially the 95-1 is a good rifle, it is accurate, lethal and reliable. It certainly is good enough to kill effectively. So it wont be going anywhere soon. And therefore not everyone will be equipped with the QBZ 191 for some time.

Engineering units, logistical units, rear echelon troops amongst others will likely continue to use QBZ 95 and 95-1 for quite some time.

Again this is based off looking at international and historical examples, the PLA could implement an aggressive push to replace and I could be wrong. The Type 81 is still in service amongst border troops and reserves. The British L86A2 LSW which was meant to have been retired from service a decade ago, still floats around in certain regiments.

So it is not only the deployment of new weapons as the push factor but also the withdrawal of perfectly serviceable and effective weapons from service as a pull factor. And in non-frontline or logistical/support/reserve units, the inertia of an existing, plentiful, well experienced and effective weapon will take some force to dislodge.

A reserve Battalion will gladly accept hand me down QBZ 95-1s to replace Type 81s or QBZ 95s. They now have an excess of QBZ 95-1s. They now no longer need more rifles. So the process of total deployment is further delayed.

Aniah said:

I'm surprised the PAP isn't already fully equipped with the new gun. I heard somewhere the time to equip everyone would take approx. 3 years. How likely would this be?

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It will take time to familiarize with the new gun, what we saw perhaps is/are the senior troopers that are to be the outfit's lead-in instructors when the new rifle to be introduced in greater numbers at a later date.

Does anyone else find it odd that we've seen a DMR version but not a SAW version?

Is there a chance they're going for a belt-fed saw or are they just going to use the long barrel variant with a bipod and bigger mags or something?

pakje said:

Does anyone else find it odd that we've seen a DMR version but not a SAW version?

Is there a chance they're going for a belt-fed saw or are they just going to use the long barrel variant with a bipod and bigger mags or something?

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The lmg has been spotted a while ago. It is both belt fed and magazine fed. The Chinese seems to be going back to the old belt fed mechanism while keeping lessons from the 95 series. Here are two pics of it:

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Wait have these pics from those links been posted before for the lmg:
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On the other hand, based on the article links posted, thank goodness the PLA is going for quality over quantity and for going for UNIFORM distribution of scopes. Also, it's good to hear that they are taking feedback from the troops on the ground and the spec ops units.

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I wonder how much QBZ-191 dna is gonna be in that lmg, or if its something completely different