PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread


FarkTypeSoldier

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The Military Analyst programme yesterday reports on the latest 052C no. 151 Zhengzhou being commissioned into ESF.

[video=youtube;sSLxr7oaeoY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSLxr7oaeoY[/video]

The guest is military expert Li Jie.

It covers the commissioning ceremony of no.151 as well as introducing its main combatants before the Sovs were in service, the Type 051 DDG.
The Type 051 once were victorious, being notable in the DF-5 missile testing in the 1980 where the missile data "blackbox" were recovered and targeted by and Aussie Navy vessels at that time. The 051s did its job by exorcising the incoming aircrafts and vessels and the data box was relieved back by PLAN helicopter and delivered back to mainland. Now its glory days were over, being a 1st gen naval ddg PLAN had at that time, now it lacks area air defenses capabilities. The two 052C, 150 & 151 are timing add on to the current Sovs the ESF have.

Programme also cuts in briefly have videos of PLAN Sovs manveouring at sea.

This episodes also covers the AA capabilties of other fleets as well as a brief intro of Type 051C DDGs.

Next cutscene is the comparsion between Akago class & 052Cs. Programme says while Type 052C wins Akago in terms of AShM, two 052Cs AA capabilties can only win one Akago or Kongo class DDGs. Both classes have their own capabilties as commented by LJ.

Later part of the programme shows some boat capasized by Aegis system equipped DDGs.

Last part of the programme reports that ESF may be equipped with a total of 4x 052Cs in later aprt of 2014, together with Type 054As and PLAN Sovs, they formed long-med-short range air defenses for the fleet.

(NOTE: My views: Despite this combination, Type 054As are more equipped for ASW, Type 052Cs for AA defenses and PLAN Sovs for AShW role.)

Regarding this, LJ comments that if reports were true,

1) then 4x 052Cs would compliments the 4x Sovs for multi-purpose or single role missions. This is a critical period for China as the newly declared ADIZ in China not only rely on PLANAF and PLAAF, its navy's vessels have to be equipped and cooperate with such AA capabilties to reinforce its assertions towards the East Sea ADIZ. The introduction of 052Cs into ESF are like an "intregator" towards these factors.

2) The PAPRs equipped on 052Cs have detection range up to 300km, which could make up for the radar range shortfall of land-based radars.

3) Hencefore, theorically speaking, it could forward the detection range of all unidentified aircrafts.
 
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FarkTypeSoldier

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Dear all,

Military Analyst Programme today invites Prof ZZZ to talk about the 130mm main gun on Type 052D. Programme made comparsions between the large caliber guns across the PLAN's arsenal.

During one cut scene, it also briefly shows the (probable) internal loading chamber of PLAN Sov's AK 130mm twin turret @ 02:20 to 03:04 as well as some live firing of the Sov's twin 130mm.

[video=youtube;xKuhwNxlkR8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuhwNxlkR8[/video]

Programme sightly mentioned that the firepower of a salvo of twin 130mm from any PLAN Sov is more destructive as compared to a land based artillery battalion. My humble opinion is that this is quite ambiguious as it didnt mention how many rounds.

Besides the topic on HPJ 130mm, it also debate the validity of naval guns in the context of modern warfare. Programme ends with an introduction of new munition for the Chinese artillery 155mm which fires the rocket-propelled laser-guided artillery round. This technology may be probably be transferred or already been trialed on sea to achieve a range of 95 -120km.

Prof ZZZ shares his opinion of US made 155mm on both DDG 1000 can have the 150km range from their 155mm as well as EM Rail Guns in the future because of the luxury of surveillance methods from military satellites.

My humble insights is that naval guns are not obsolete just yet, not in the near decade. Modern technology could enable techniques to be added to maximise its usage therefore in no way we could see naval guns being out-of-placed any soon.

Good day.
 
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kwaigonegin

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It is a common mistake during translation of a Chinese Billion (億) to English Billion. A Chinese Billion has 8 zeros (100,000,000) as opposed to the English Billion which has 9 zeros (1,000,000,000). A Chinese Billion would be in English, one hundred million. Or in Chinese, 一萬萬 (Literally, "10,000 10,000").

So really the admiral meant 10B USD.
so it Chinese Mandarin 100 million = 1 billion?

Does that apply to 1 million as well as in 100,000 or is that one similar?
 

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The Military Analyst programme yesterday reports on the latest 052C no. 151 Zhengzhou being commissioned into ESF.
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FarkTypeSoldier, this thread is about the PLAN Sov DDGs.

If you have a video or presentation about them...post them here.

We have another thread for general Chinese Military videos. These videos should either be posted there, or in a thread that relates to them specifically (ie. the type 052 DDG thread in the Chinese Navy Forum if the video is about that, etc.).

Please:

BACK ON TOPIC of PLAN Sovremenny DDGS!

Thanks.
 

no_name

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so it Chinese Mandarin 100 million = 1 billion?

Does that apply to 1 million as well as in 100,000 or is that one similar?
Chinese don't have word for million, it is simply called 100 wan, where wan is 10 thousand.

So wan wan is yi (100 million), and wan yi is zhao (1 trillion).

I don't think you should use the word billion in place of chinese yi because it is an English quantity definition. I would just say 100 million and that way it avoids confusion.

Chinese traditional denominations goes up by factor of 10,000, as opposed to 1,000 for western units.
 

luhai

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Indeed English Language breaks numbers every 3 digits, while Chinese does at every 5 (1 Wan = 10k), for people new to English, they would assume Yi (100M) translates to Billion, thus creating problems. (to a less then extent people may confuse wan and thousand. Million usually are confused because common use of the word Millionaire or 100 Wan Rich Persion in Chinese.. India also use a different counting system than can cause confusion. Even in the west, there was the difference between long and short scale than can cause confusion before the long scale prevailed.


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kwaigonegin

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Indeed English Language breaks numbers every 3 digits, while Chinese does at every 5 (1 Wan = 10k), for people new to English, they would assume Yi (100M) translates to Billion, thus creating problems. (to a less then extent people may confuse wan and thousand. Million usually are confused because common use of the word Millionaire or 100 Wan Rich Persion in Chinese.. India also use a different counting system than can cause confusion. Even in the west, there was the difference between long and short scale than can cause confusion before the long scale prevailed.


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Thanks luhai/no_name for the edumacation. Even though it's OT I asked because it's relevant since we are all from different cultures and speak different languages. It's always good to know the exact terminologies and nomenclatures especially when discussing facts as we so often do here to avoid confusion.
 

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The no. 139 Ningbo was present during the Sino-Russia Naval Drills 2014 which just ended two days ago.

Searching for its photo now.
 

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