PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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bebops said:
A bunch of stealth radars. JY-27 were one of the newest radar for PLA

On the third comment, which I found it very fascinating, this guy wrote:

"The reasons why the surveillance network, primarily composed of Chinese-made equipment, failed to function can be summarized in the following three points: 1) Overwhelming by Next-Generation Electronic Warfare: The latest Next-Generation Jammer (NGJ-MB) aboard the U.S. Navy's EA-18G Growler completely overwhelmed Chinese anti-stealth radars like the JY-27 and JYL-1. Radar screens were filled with noise, preventing detection of approaching U.S. stealth aircraft like the F-35 and F-22. 2) Radar as a Double-Edged Sword: The moment Venezuelan forces increased radar output to search for targets, they became targets themselves for U.S. anti-radar missiles (AGM-88E) that detected the signal, instantly blinding their "eyes." No matter how powerful the fists—Russian-made air defense missiles—they had prepared, the Made-in-China "eyes" were blind. 3) Terrain-assisted infiltration: U.S. cruise missiles and special forces helicopters flew low, hugging the mountainous terrain, slipping beneath the radar's detection range."

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First of all, this sentence, "When it comes to real combat, Chinese weapons and technology are simply fails like Temu made toys," makes me think he's not reliable at all.

I also would not think that China would sell advanced radar to Venezuela. It's a foregone conclusion that since you need full interconnected systems in significant numbers under well-trained hands to really win against sophisticated enemy attack groups, whatever China sold to Venezuela would be overwhelmed and defeated. Since they would not be able to win or even put up much of a fight, why risk the exposure of these major systems to enemy forces? It only makes sense to sell them small arms so they can drag an invading US ground force into Guerilla warfare.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
First of all, this sentence, "When it comes to real combat, Chinese weapons and technology are simply fails like Temu made toys," makes me think he's not reliable at all.

I also would not think that China would sell advanced radar to Venezuela. It's a foregone conclusion that since you need full interconnected systems in significant numbers under well-trained hands to really win against sophisticated enemy attack groups, whatever China sold to Venezuela would be overwhelmed and defeated. Since they would not be able to win or even put up much of a fight, why risk the exposure of these major systems to enemy forces? It only makes sense to sell them small arms so they can drag an invading US ground force into Guerilla warfare.
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You can guarantee he's just another paid bot.
 
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The previous world order is basically gone with the US abandoning it through the direct armed capture of another sovereign leader. It's now might makes right especially with Trump so blazening saying they're doing it for oil and he wants to occupy the country directly. China will keep an eye on Venezuela and if nothing goes wrong for the US after Venezuela I predict that if the DPP wins the next election China will finally do an armed reunification.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
First of all, this sentence, "When it comes to real combat, Chinese weapons and technology are simply fails like Temu made toys," makes me think he's not reliable at all.
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This piece of news was all over twitter, reddit and news media. All over my recommendation list.

Tbh, I skipped his comments but his photo and text was what had gotten my attention.

"I predict that if the DPP wins the next election China will finally do an armed reunification."
Yes, I think so too. That will coincide with Taiwan's election and possibly Xi's last term. Xi wants to get this reunification done before the next guy takes his place.

2028 is the US election where a democratic president will likely win. Therefore, these are three things are happening at the same time.
 
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bebops said:
A bunch of stealth radars. JY-27 were one of the newest radar for PLA

On the third comment, which I found it very fascinating, this guy wrote:

"The reasons why the surveillance network, primarily composed of Chinese-made equipment, failed to function can be summarized in the following three points: 1) Overwhelming by Next-Generation Electronic Warfare: The latest Next-Generation Jammer (NGJ-MB) aboard the U.S. Navy's EA-18G Growler completely overwhelmed Chinese anti-stealth radars like the JY-27 and JYL-1. Radar screens were filled with noise, preventing detection of approaching U.S. stealth aircraft like the F-35 and F-22. 2) Radar as a Double-Edged Sword: The moment Venezuelan forces increased radar output to search for targets, they became targets themselves for U.S. anti-radar missiles (AGM-88E) that detected the signal, instantly blinding their "eyes." No matter how powerful the fists—Russian-made air defense missiles—they had prepared, the Made-in-China "eyes" were blind. 3) Terrain-assisted infiltration: U.S. cruise missiles and special forces helicopters flew low, hugging the mountainous terrain, slipping beneath the radar's detection range."

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This is a bit off topic but since it is already being discussed, I believe that Venezuela has the old variant of the JY-27 so certainly not "one of the newest PLA radars". I believe the new variant is JY-27V and we all how different PLA equipment variants with same base designation can be.

Also maybe someone more informed can comment, but I believe that these "anti-stealth" VHF radars can't provide targeting data for AD, they just give the air defence network data on where to scan for actual target acquisition?
 
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bebops said:
A bunch of stealth radars. JY-27 were one of the newest radar for PLA

On the third comment, which I found it very fascinating, this guy wrote:

"The reasons why the surveillance network, primarily composed of Chinese-made equipment, failed to function can be summarized in the following three points: 1) Overwhelming by Next-Generation Electronic Warfare: The latest Next-Generation Jammer (NGJ-MB) aboard the U.S. Navy's EA-18G Growler completely overwhelmed Chinese anti-stealth radars like the JY-27 and JYL-1. Radar screens were filled with noise, preventing detection of approaching U.S. stealth aircraft like the F-35 and F-22. 2) Radar as a Double-Edged Sword: The moment Venezuelan forces increased radar output to search for targets, they became targets themselves for U.S. anti-radar missiles (AGM-88E) that detected the signal, instantly blinding their "eyes." No matter how powerful the fists—Russian-made air defense missiles—they had prepared, the Made-in-China "eyes" were blind. 3) Terrain-assisted infiltration: U.S. cruise missiles and special forces helicopters flew low, hugging the mountainous terrain, slipping beneath the radar's detection range."

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2008073027712692369

Rick Joe speculates the radar is an older system from the 2000s, he also added an addendum later in the thread that the latest variants of JY-27 appear different from the ones pictured in Venezuela
 
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fishrubber99 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2008073027712692369

Rick Joe speculates the radar is an older system from the 2000s, he also added an addendum later in the thread that the latest variants of JY-27 appear different from the ones pictured in Venezuela
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Propagandists are working overtime right now. People would honestly be better off just completely blacklisting X and writing it off as no less astroturfed than reddit.
 
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bebops said:
A bunch of stealth radars. JY-27 were one of the newest radar for PLA

On the third comment, which I found it very fascinating, this guy wrote:

"The reasons why the surveillance network, primarily composed of Chinese-made equipment, failed to function can be summarized in the following three points: 1) Overwhelming by Next-Generation Electronic Warfare: The latest Next-Generation Jammer (NGJ-MB) aboard the U.S. Navy's EA-18G Growler completely overwhelmed Chinese anti-stealth radars like the JY-27 and JYL-1. Radar screens were filled with noise, preventing detection of approaching U.S. stealth aircraft like the F-35 and F-22. 2) Radar as a Double-Edged Sword: The moment Venezuelan forces increased radar output to search for targets, they became targets themselves for U.S. anti-radar missiles (AGM-88E) that detected the signal, instantly blinding their "eyes." No matter how powerful the fists—Russian-made air defense missiles—they had prepared, the Made-in-China "eyes" were blind. 3) Terrain-assisted infiltration: U.S. cruise missiles and special forces helicopters flew low, hugging the mountainous terrain, slipping beneath the radar's detection range."

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Even radars in China would be like this, the difference is you cant dedicate over 100 of your aircraft for SEAD on a single target when you are at war with a major country. Any country can defeat any system with enough forces. And also what will this radar do on its own even if it did work? S-300 could simply just be destoryed.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
First of all, this sentence, "When it comes to real combat, Chinese weapons and technology are simply fails like Temu made toys," makes me think he's not reliable at all.

I also would not think that China would sell advanced radar to Venezuela. It's a foregone conclusion that since you need full interconnected systems in significant numbers under well-trained hands to really win against sophisticated enemy attack groups, whatever China sold to Venezuela would be overwhelmed and defeated. Since they would not be able to win or even put up much of a fight, why risk the exposure of these major systems to enemy forces? It only makes sense to sell them small arms so they can drag an invading US ground force into Guerilla warfare.
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Case in point, did the PL-15's eye go blind when SPECTRA was turned on?
It is not Chinese eyes and Russian fists, pure nonsense
S-300 Complex has it's own search radar as well then also an engagement radar
As you said, it is meant to work as a system, not a hodge podge of parts.
 
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