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abenomics12345

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Blitzo said:
Okay, so you are basing your statement on the removal of his name from the AVIC website.
I wanted to know if there was anything else that I had missed.

The grapevine generally very rarely comments on personnel matters unless it's attributing their title to a new development.



In the case of Qin Gang we also know the definitive statements from the government of his demotions and resignations that were a fair bit more public and official, from the horse's mouth rather than just removals of their profiles.

If we had similar information in a more official capacity for Yang Wei, then I would be more inclined to agree with you, but at least I can understand your reasoning.
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I'll put it this way, one of the ways that can disprove any concern(s) would be if he shows up on the conference circuit or does a public speech of some sort. And I don't necessarily view it as a bad thing that he is no longer involved in such a public capacity at AVIC when all these anti-corruption probes are happening as a result of this Zhang Youxia fiasco. Leaving the role probably insulates him against any overzealous investigator from digging up anything that could possibly implicate him.

One comment to note on corruption in general in the pre-2012 era, in many cases corruption/bribes may have been for the greater good. As an example, to get resources for specific programs from higher leadership one might've had to grease the wheels. We can very well imagine that someone as senior as a chief designer have had to do things like this to get the program moving along faster. (This would be an example where its technically illegal but also "合情合理")
 
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abenomics12345 said:
I'll put it this way, one of the ways that can disprove any concern(s) would be if he shows up on the conference circuit or does a public speech of some sort. And I don't necessarily view it as a bad thing that he is no longer involved in such a public capacity at AVIC when all these anti-corruption probes are happening as a result of this Zhang Youxia fiasco. Leaving the role probably insulates him against any overzealous investigator from digging up anything that could possibly implicate him.
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It would certainly answer the question more definitively.
I suppose in these regards my null hypothesis tends to be "we don't know" if we don't have clearer statements of definitive resignations or demotions etc (especially if things are still ongoing).


abenomics12345 said:
One comment to note on corruption in general in the pre-2012 era, in many cases corruption/bribes may have been for the greater good. As an example, to get resources for specific programs from higher leadership one might've had to grease the wheels. We can very well imagine that someone as senior as a chief designer have had to do things like this to get the program moving along faster. (This would be an example where its technically illegal but also "合情合理")
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Petty bribery in that era was so common place, I suspect just being in proximity of it even if one did not engage in anything, would be enough to be caught up in the trawl net of retrospective forensics that are being done now.
(General statement)
 
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abenomics12345

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Blitzo said:
It would certainly answer the question more definitively.
I suppose in these regards my null hypothesis tends to be "we don't know" if we don't have clearer statements of definitive resignations or demotions etc (especially if things are still ongoing).
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Actually, IIRC the big thing wasn't that he was officially "removed"（免职）from AVIC, the thing that seemed abnormal was that his name disappeared from the website without an official announcement. If anything, had there been an official 免职 notice, things would've been actually normal because that is the SOP for SOEs. (I'd love if someone saw an official announcement of some sort afterwards, that would be another way to disprove concerns.)
 
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I've noticed a lot of Western analysts on Twitter don't seem to believe the WSJ report is entirely true, in particular the part where he allegedly leaked nuclear secrets.
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Wei Lingling is well connected with insiders, but she herself is not an insider. As such, on more than one (verifiable) case she was exploited in the past by her contacts to push their narrative. She has no way to verify.
 
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abenomics12345 said:
I'll put it this way, one of the ways that can disprove any concern(s) would be if he shows up on the conference circuit or does a public speech of some sort. And I don't necessarily view it as a bad thing that he is no longer involved in such a public capacity at AVIC when all these anti-corruption probes are happening as a result of this Zhang Youxia fiasco. Leaving the role probably insulates him against any overzealous investigator from digging up anything that could possibly implicate him.

One comment to note on corruption in general in the pre-2012 era, in many cases corruption/bribes may have been for the greater good. As an example, to get resources for specific programs from higher leadership one might've had to grease the wheels. We can very well imagine that someone as senior as a chief designer have had to do things like this to get the program moving along faster. (This would be an example where its technically illegal but also "合情合理")
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Not innocent enough to escape investigation, not corrupt enough to be convicted. Being able to retire safely during such large-scale investigation is already quite fortunate.
 
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Gloire_bb said:
Wei Lingling is well connected with insiders, but she herself is not an insider. As such, on more than one (verifiable) case she was exploited in the past by her contacts to push their narrative. She has no way to verify.
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I think it is more accurate to say that she is well connected with people that she believes are insiders, and that is putting it fairly charitably.
 
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Why X is filled with stupid narratives these days, of which the most popular two are:

1) Zhang & Liu knew Xi would arrest them, so they conspired and launched a coup against Xi with their "army", but Xi got informed several hours before the operation and ambushed Zhang & Liu's "army". There was a gun fight around Xi's hotel in Beijing at the night of Jan 18th. The coup is a total failure. Dozens died, thousands were arrested.
2) Former Chairman Hu Jintao died of disease days ago, but CCP chose to hide his death.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2015142662819524763

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2015745720872259819

I know these statements are dumb, but watching Chinese & English audience keep spreading it everywhere is more so.
 
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AndrewJ said:
Why X is filled with stupid narratives these days, of which the most popular two are:

1) Zhang & Liu knew Xi would arrest them, so they conspired and launched a coup against Xi with their "army", but Xi got informed several hours before the operation and ambushed Zhang & Liu's "army". There's a gun fire in Beijing. The coup is a total failure. Dozens died, thousands were arrested.
2) Former Chairman Hu Jintao died of disease days ago, but CCP chose to hide his death.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2015142662819524763

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2015745720872259819

I know these statements are dumb, but watching Chinese & English audience keep spreading it everywhere is more so.
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Please stop knowingly post bad takes from other sites or platforms here.

We are all aware that there are many many poor opinions out there on the matter, we don't need to have a repository of it here on SDF.
 
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Blitzo said:
I think it is more accurate to say that she is well connected with people that she believes are insiders, and that is putting it fairly charitably.
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The most accurate way to put it is that she is in fact connected to “insiders” but they’re the kind that sit outside the actual important stuff because the domestic politics of the last decade have dislocated them.
 
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Military convoys were spotted heading towards Beijing. Its been claimed that the General Staff Department has barred all other Chinese military movements across the country. Also claims of increased PAP presence in Beijing, mainly Dongcheng.
I know it isnt a coup lmao but at least it is a excuse to post videos of military convoys o_O
 
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