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EdgeOfEcho

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This is likely the CS/LM5.
I did not even know they were a thing until I saw it in the video! I thought the 7.62mm mini gun project was not completed until 2013, and I thought it’d take longer for a GAU19 clone to roll out. Truly a pleasant surprise, although I wonder why both weapon systems were not yet adopted or see limited use in the PLA.

but the English instructions on the fire control do indicate it being a export version, now I know it’s name, I think it is the CS/LM5
 

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SinoSoldier

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I did not even know they were a thing until I saw it in the video! I thought the 7.62mm mini gun project was not completed until 2013, and I thought it’d take longer for a GAU19 clone to roll out. Truly a pleasant surprise, although I wonder why both weapon systems were not yet adopted or see limited use in the PLA.

but the English instructions on the fire control do indicate it being a export version, now I know it’s name, I think it is the CS/LM5
The 7.62 one is called the CS/LM12.
 

by78

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A minor bit of news. The official military procurement website lists an order for an 'Xxx-II' pistol, basically a revised version of an (unnamed) existing pistol. Likely very very few candidates here.

 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
from the looks of the videos the LRBHO is much more important for reload rate compared with whether you use the button release or the AK mag release. From looking at the rifle it seems that the QBZ191 doesn't have this function again, at least I can't see a bolt release button. I guess PLA still subscribes to the idea that fewer moving parts = more reliable weapon... 1 fewer spot for dust to get into/fail/jam
if you know the AR series it has both a drop free and bolt hold open release. A soldier can press the mag release drop the spent magazine. The Magazine well is flared to as to funnel the magazine into the latch. Then press the bolt release with the same hand as the one feeding the magazine.
Speaking of mag releases though it looks like the rifle that lost the competition did have mag release button and kind of follows the NATO AR pattern for reloading.
this is part of why I still suspect the lever on the right side of the trigger guard of being such. Since we haven’t seen a full breakdown of the rifle it’s still a potential.
 

Mt1701d

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from the looks of the videos the LRBHO is much more important for reload rate compared with whether you use the button release or the AK mag release. From looking at the rifle it seems that the QBZ191 doesn't have this function again, at least I can't see a bolt release button. I guess PLA still subscribes to the idea that fewer moving parts = more reliable weapon... 1 fewer spot for dust to get into/fail/jam

Speaking of mag releases though it looks like the rifle that lost the competition did have mag release button and kind of follows the NATO AR pattern for reloading.
I am not sure you are correct that the QBZ191 doesn’t have the bolt hold open and release function, from the video provided by By78 and other videos, the bolt clearly holds open after the last round and from the images of the left side of the weapon suggests the latch/button just above the mag well is the bolt release mechanism.

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Here's the video, albeit only 480p.

If you look at the video at 4:02 after the ejection of the round and from the angle although not clear the mag seems empty and bolt does not close and can be seen being held back and open.


Then from this video another test of the rifle, note at 1:33, if you slow the video playback the bolt is held open and from the action of the tester during the removal of the empty mag suggests that he is using the latch just behind the mag that rests on the trigger guard, tho this is not entirely clear.

Whilst it’s not conclusive as we never see the bolt release in any videos, at least of the ones I have seen, it’s enough to suggest there is a bolt hold open and a release mechanism and the most likely candidate for the release mechanism is the button on the left side of the weapon, this button is also at the seam that separates the upper and lower receiver, so it seems to LRBHO you were referring to.

Having said all that, this is only my guess, since there is simply not enough information to prove it. If all this have been said before then apologies and mods please remove.
 

Kejora

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from the looks of the videos the LRBHO is much more important for reload rate compared with whether you use the button release or the AK mag release. From looking at the rifle it seems that the QBZ191 doesn't have this function again, at least I can't see a bolt release button. I guess PLA still subscribes to the idea that fewer moving parts = more reliable weapon... 1 fewer spot for dust to get into/fail/jam

Speaking of mag releases though it looks like the rifle that lost the competition did have mag release button and kind of follows the NATO AR pattern for reloading.
Pretty sure there's a bolt release button on QBZ-191.
QBZ-191 also seems to use a different magazine than QBZ-95, so probably this new magazine has bolt hold open feature.
 

PikeCowboy

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you guys are right, the videos definitely shows the bolt in open position after the last shot, I just couldn't see the release button
 

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