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no_name

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Sure it can handle itself, but Chinese influence is waning in Pakistan. CPEC was to be the Chinese anchor in Pakistan but that has failed tremendously. Pakistan is trying hard to decrease military dependence on China though various domestic and international programs. Soon China is not going to have any clout whatsoever inside Pakistan. No political, no economic, almost no military and no media clout. Two alien cultures only tied by their animosity against India.

China is lucky Indian geopolitics is an utter basket case as they can't turn a culturally and historically very similar peoples into a friend.

A Pakistan and India peace-treaty and friendship is going to be the biggest headache for China. Even bigger than Taiwan. Imagine the resentment for Tibet and Xinjiang combined into a 1.6 billion population armed with nukes and supported by the superpower of the world.

But how long will this Pakistan-India animosity exist? Just look at how fast the Arabs have turned towards Israel. The same could be happening with Pakistan and India. What can China do to prevent this? Nothing whatsoever besides potentially promising another CPEC like project on worse terms.

Look at how China is unable to pacify the Philippines. Their new president offered the Chinese good relations in return for support against a potential coup. China declined and now they are antagonistic again with US backing.
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I can tell you the era of "Give me free goodies or I go to Uncle Sam" diplomacy dynamics is over.

You go to uncle sam, you will only get worse treatment from China, and US will take you to the cleaners because they are scraping the barrels for themselves now. China doesn't need to beg for other's goodwill. If China is strong enough, others will need her more than she needs others, and she is willing to accommodate but within reasonable limits.

China wants trustworthy neighbours, we don't need flip-floppers. Those that did will not get good endings from both sides. The current world dynamics is such that countries may soon have to start indicate very clearly and firmly which camp they are in, and want to stay in.
 
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sequ

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I can tell you the era of "Give me free goodies or I go to Uncle Sam" diplomacy dynamics is over.

You go to uncle sam, you'll will only get worse treatment from China, and US will take you to the cleaners because they are scraping the barrels for themselves now. We don't need to beg for other's goodwill. If China is strong enough, others will need her more than she needs others, and she is willing to accommodate but within reasonable limits.
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Don't take it personally.
 
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no_name

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sequ said:
Don't take it personally.
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I am not, just stating the world trend that I am seeing, which does not care how I feel.
If anything for an average bloke like me I prefer a stable dynamic between US-China, but that train has departed.

(It vexes me that the people responsible in US are not solving their own problems from within but time and again tries to make other countries bore the costs with increasing instability and chao/destruction each time.
I am seeing the same thing/ineffectiveness/inability in many developed democracies and non-democracies but also especially in India.
It seems that China is the odd one out in her continual efforts to stave/resolve problems that arises through her developments, it vexes me that many times this willingness to be responsible is taken for a ride by other countries, but anyway this is off-topic)
 
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sequ said:
Sure it can handle itself, but Chinese influence is waning in Pakistan. CPEC was to be the Chinese anchor in Pakistan but that has failed tremendously. Pakistan is trying hard to decrease military dependence on China though various domestic and international programs. Soon China is not going to have any clout whatsoever inside Pakistan. No political, no economic, almost no military and no media clout. Two alien cultures only tied by their animosity against India.

China is lucky Indian geopolitics is an utter basket case as they can't turn a culturally and historically very similar peoples into a friend.

A Pakistan and India peace-treaty and friendship is going to be the biggest headache for China. Even bigger than Taiwan. Imagine the resentment for Tibet and Xinjiang combined into a 1.6 billion population armed with nukes and supported by the superpower of the world.

But how long will this Pakistan-India animosity exist? Just look at how fast the Arabs have turned towards Israel. The same could be happening with Pakistan and India. What can China do to prevent this? Nothing whatsoever besides potentially promising another CPEC like project on worse terms.

Look at how China is unable to pacify the Philippines. Their new president offered the Chinese good relations in return for support against a potential coup. China declined and now they are antagonistic again with US backing.
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You just listed many reason for China not to help Pakistan further, which is exactly what is happening?
 
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sequ said:
Sure it can handle itself, but Chinese influence is waning in Pakistan. CPEC was to be the Chinese anchor in Pakistan but that has failed tremendously. Pakistan is trying hard to decrease military dependence on China though various domestic and international programs. Soon China is not going to have any clout whatsoever inside Pakistan. No political, no economic, almost no military and no media clout. Two alien cultures only tied by their animosity against India.

China is lucky Indian geopolitics is an utter basket case as they can't turn a culturally and historically very similar peoples into a friend.

A Pakistan and India peace-treaty and friendship is going to be the biggest headache for China. Even bigger than Taiwan. Imagine the resentment for Tibet and Xinjiang combined into a 1.6 billion population armed with nukes and supported by the superpower of the world.

But how long will this Pakistan-India animosity exist? Just look at how fast the Arabs have turned towards Israel. The same could be happening with Pakistan and India. What can China do to prevent this? Nothing whatsoever besides potentially promising another CPEC like project on worse terms.

Look at how China is unable to pacify the Philippines. Their new president offered the Chinese good relations in return for support against a potential coup. China declined and now they are antagonistic again with US backing.
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basically this guy wants China to force the Pakistani Military to put Imran Khan into power, his whole stick is if IK was in power everything would be hunkydory.

China would never interfere like that and that is why we are strategic allies and partners
 
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BasilicaLew

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~ Pictures are out of the #Pakistan Air Force’s JF-17 Block III carrying the PL-15 Very Long Range Air-to-Air Missile (VLRAAM) for the first time.

The PL-15 has a maximum range of 200 kilometres, a significant jump over the earlier PL-12 which was on the JF-17 (100 KM).

These missile have freshly arrived (inside this week) from China to be deployed on the entire JF-17C fleet, in view of rising regional tensions.

Additionally these are PL-15s from inside PLAAF own-stock. Not the capability-limited export-variant PL-15s for export customers.

Earlier during the 2019 air skirmishes between Pakistan and India, China sent over multiple cargo planeloads filled with SD-10A/PL-12 air to air missiles.
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Don't know how true this is, but if it is PL-15 could have it's first real combat use. I personally don't expect it to go well for the Indians as if it's made to combat the Americans, it's going to be way overqualified for Indian jets.
 
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Don't know how true this is, but if it is PL-15 could have it's first real combat use. I personally don't expect it to go well for the Indians as if it's made to combat the Americans, it's going to be way overqualified for Indian jets.
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Rafale/Meteor will give J10CE and JF17C with PL15 a run for their money. But the rest of IAF is pretty much toast against them I would think.
 
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