Pakistan considering to buy either Eurofighter or Rafale

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what the heck are you talking about FreeAsia? Who told you America is selling F-22s to India. They said they will sell F-22 to only their most trusted allies (ie: Britain, Canada, Australia and Japan) Stop this bs.

Saudi Arabia is different from Pakistan. It has had connection with BAE for a long time, it bought the tornado before. It only makes sense that EADS is willing to sell Eurofighter to them now. Now, imo, typhoon can be offered to Pakistan, but that's because I thought any of the partner states can chose who they want to sell it to. Maybe I'm mistaking?
 

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Germark,

Do you know how the EuroFighter collaboration work when it comes to sales. I was under the impression that any of the partners can market it but ALL of the partners need to agree on the sale.

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tphuang said:
what the heck are you talking about FreeAsia? Who told you America is selling F-22s to India. They said they will sell F-22 to only their most trusted allies (ie: Britain, Canada, Australia and Japan) Stop this bs.

Saudi Arabia is different from Pakistan. It has had connection with BAE for a long time, it bought the tornado before. It only makes sense that EADS is willing to sell Eurofighter to them now. Now, imo, typhoon can be offered to Pakistan, but that's because I thought any of the partner states can chose who they want to sell it to. Maybe I'm mistaking?

Hi

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Please see below

Washington should not only sell the F-16s and F-18s it has agreed to, but should work toward larger-scale defense industrial cooperation, making New Delhi a partner on the Joint Strike Fighter or, better yet, the F-22 program. But more important than platforms are the electronic subsystems that give the greatest qualitative advantage in modern combat and form the core of command and control networks. As former senior policy analyst at RAND Ashley Tellis observes, “What India needs most often are not ‘big ticket’ weapons that galvanize public attention but high-quality assemblies and components that make a difference to the durability and effectiveness of existing inventory.”[22] Given that computer software codes provide such an important element in these networks, Indian firms are well poised to partner with U.S. counterparts.

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regarding EADS that's what I thought obviously ger_mark disagree's which is why i thought people in britain would be well angry if the germans had a veto..
 

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ArjunMk1 said:
But US will never give its radar codes to Pakistan !!! Also current F16s of Pakistan have no BVR radars , so Pakistan have to get some from China and Again US will never let China to put her radar on its F16s !!!

Hi Arjun,

F-16A Block 15 has provision for AIM-7, and the Block 15 OCU also adds AMRRAM capability. The Pakistani F-16's are capable of using BVR missiles, but the US has not sold them the missiles.

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The Pakistan Air Force currently has the Block 15 F-16A/B model in operation, which has an upgraded APG-66 radar that brings it close to the MLU (Mid-life Update) radar technology. The main advantage is the ability to use the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles if they were ever to be released to the PAF. Furthermore, the radar is capable of sorting out tight formations of aircraft and has a 15%-20% range increase over previous models. All the earlier F-16s were brought up to OCU standards and have received the Falcon UP structural modification package.

Currently, Pakistani F-16s typically carry two all-aspect AIM-9L Sidewinders on the wing tip rails along with a pair of AIM-9P-4's on the outermost underwing racks, while the Matra Magic 2 (French counterpart of the Sidewinder) can be carried as well. They also have an important strike role, being capable to deliver Paveway laser-guided bombs. Pakistani F-16s are also capable of firing the French AS-30 laser guided missile. The ALQ-131 pod is carried as ECM protection.
 

ger_mark

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Actually Britain can and will.
got a link?



Britain can't sell anything without permission of the other 3 members, they only produce the cockpit and the tail, the wings are made in italy and spain and the trunk and many elextronic systems are made in germany, every EF country does put this 4 fragments together and none of them is building the plane of its own. BAE can't just open 3 more assembly lines and copy the Parts the other company's are building :p
 

FreeAsia2000

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ger_mark said:
got a link?



Britain can't sell anything without permission of the other 3 members, they only produce the cockpit and the tail, the wings are made in italy and spain and the trunk and many elextronic systems are made in germany, every EF country does put this 4 fragments together and none of them is building the plane of its own. BAE can't just open 3 more assembly lines and copy the Parts the other company's are building :p

The Eurofighter consortium wants to find customers

Eurofighter Chases Turkey, Other Customers
The European consortium that builds the Typhoon fighter is hopeful for new orders from Aegean rivals Turkey and Greece as well as from other European and non-European customers, company officials said.

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Please show some evidence that Germany will block sale to pakistan so I can have a good laugh.
 

ger_mark

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This link doesn't have anything to do with your claim


Even Schröder said he would never sell anything to India or Pakistan and he wanted to lift embargo against China, Merkel will never

I'm wondering where the article on the 1st page comes from?
Pakistan is also going to buy U214 and Luna UAV's from Germany ? Well thats what i call a laugh...


I was searching on google news for "Eurofighter Pakistan"
Result on Google : 2matches, nothing to do with the topic
Result on Google Germany: 0 matches
 
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FreeAsia2000

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ger_mark said:
This link doesn't have anything to do with your claim


Even Schröder said he would never sell anything to India or Pakistan and he wanted to lift embargo against China, Merkel will never

I'm sorry and I'm supposed to believe this on the basis that Merkal is a good
friend of yours ?

I've shown you evidence that the Eurofighter is for export...please provide
evidence that Germany will block it's sale to Pakistan.

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ger_mark said:
Britain can't sell anything without permission of the other 3 members........

That would apply to new aircraft, but what about ones that have already been sold to member states? The Saudi deal appears to be based on selling on some of the Typhoons already allocated to Britain. So are you telling me that if any of the contributors ever wants to sell its jets to another country (decide they have too many, are getting obsolete in the future, etc) it has to get permission from the others first? I haven't read anything in the papers about requiring consent from the 3 over the Saudi deal.
 

FreeAsia2000

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FuManChu said:
That would apply to new aircraft, but what about ones that have already been sold to member states? The Saudi deal appears to be based on selling on some of the Typhoons already allocated to Britain. So are you telling me that if any of the contributors ever wants to sell its jets to another country (decide they have too many, are getting obsolete in the future, etc) it has to get permission from the others first? I haven't read anything in the papers about requiring consent from the 3 over the Saudi deal.

FuManChu that's what i've been trying to explain to him.

I've checked Hansard and i'm familiar with the debates in the UK over the
Eurofighter programme. The Conservative party would NEVER have permitted
a German veto on who they could sell it to.

The Daily Mail would have been up in arms. :)
 
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