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vincent

Senior Member
It's obvious that you have no answer for my statement that any company that outsources its IT to a cloud service is taking on a lot of extra risks (compared to having its servers in-house). Parler's near-death experience is very strong evidence.
It is not my job to educate someone clueless as you about the pros and cons of using cloud-based services. Dr. Google is your friend.
 

BrightFuture

New Member
Registered Member
I don't care what Parler was doing before it went to Amazon. The fact is that Parler.com indeed went to Amazon -- and was nearly killed by Amazon. You cloud worshippers continually attempt to obscure this basic fact, because you have no answer for it. Why should a company take so many extra risks by using a cloud provider?



You are just making an unsupported assertion. You have not demonstrated that clouds aren't bad.



The right thing for China to do is to avoid using cloud services altogether. Why take so many extra risks?

I notice that many New Members have been squealing since I started opposing the cloud services. Did I hit a sensitive nerve?

You don't know what a cloud is, don't you? Cloud is a fancy way to call a server; a "cloud" is nothing more than a normal server with some mini extra services included (analytics, etc). The big difference between cloud providers and normal server providers, is that cloud providers are for idiots that don't know how to use a FTP and configure a server (they need some simple web interfaces provided by the cloud company), while normal server providers are for people that know some basics, and usually allow a certain degree of complexity (modify the server access, DNS, privileges, choose the type of database).

I don't care what Parler was doing before it went to Amazon. The fact is that Parler.com indeed went to Amazon -- and was nearly killed by Amazon. You cloud worshippers continually attempt to obscure this basic fact, because you have no answer for it. Why should a company take so many extra risks by using a cloud provider?

I have answered you multiple times. Parler wasn't killed by Amazon, it was killed by the US government. Parler could have been killed regardless of using Amazon, other server providers, or owning the servers themselves; that's what happens when you are so stupid to host your website in the same country you are trying to go against. Also, even if it was because Amazon, if anything, this teaches us to not use foreign clouds and/or server providers. I have the feeling you really don't know what a cloud is, so you are rambling like it's some special thing, when it's only a server with a simple web interface to access it, and some other mini services.

I can tell you that most companies don't own their own servers, and it should be up to the company to decide what is the right thing to do. It makes no sense, however, to oppose China having their own cloud or server providers. The only thing that Parler teaches us is that we should only trust domestic providers. It's fine for companies to have their own servers too, literally it makes no difference (It would only make a difference if the chose a non domestic provider).

I have already answered you multiple times, now you could answer me, and tell me why is it bad for China to have server providers. It makes no sense.

You are just making an unsupported assertion. You have not demonstrated that clouds aren't bad.
Saying clouds are bad is pretty much like saying server providers are bad, because it's almost the same thing.

You are making an unsupported assertion. You haven't demonstrated that clouds are bad. You have only demonstrated that you know nothing about servers.

The right thing for China to do is to avoid using cloud altogether. Why take so many extra risks?
Why? The right thing for China to do is use domestic server providers. If they want to have their own servers that's fine too, it literally makes no difference.

You are basing you entire argument in a ridiculous example. "Look guys a fascist website against the interests of the US government was kicked out of a US company that closely works with the US government. The cloud is clearly the blame, not the company, the US government, or the fact that Parler was a fascist website against the interest of the US and its elites." I hope you already noticed how ridiculous your example is.

You really don't know what clouds are, but if you still want to die in that hill, go ahead.

I notice that many New Members have been squealing since I started opposing the cloud services. Did I hit a sensitive nerve?
"How dare someone correct my wrong and ignorant assumptions? No one would support the Chinese government, it's all the CCP bots." This is you, pretty much. (Yes, as stupid as those people). And just for the record, I hate clouds because they are nothing more than dumbed down servers for idiots, and I hate the big monopolies that provide then (I rather see people learning how to use a normal server provider), but when I see someone spouting ignorant shit, I feel the need to correct them (because I'm actually in the IT industry and know what I'm talking about).
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
It is not my job to educate someone clueless as you about the pros and cons of using cloud-based services. Dr. Google is your friend.
I do not need to be educated by someone who has demonstrated so little knowledge of IT and business. Especially business, where risk is nearly everything.

Parler.com took huge risks in outsourcing its IT to the cloud -- and lost. If you refuse to learn from their near-death experience, that is your problem. However, I refuse to allow you and your fellow travellers to deceive Chinese companies into doing what Parler did.
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
You don't know what a cloud is, don't you? Cloud is a fancy way to call a server; a "cloud" is nothing more than a normal server with some mini extra services included (analytics, etc).
I know what cloud providers offer. However, unlike you, I can also see that using cloud providers can be suicide -- as Parler.com's near-death experience demonstrates. I will continue to hammer this point as long as you continue to not learn it.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on his not understanding it."
-- Upton Sinclair
 

kentchang

Junior Member
Registered Member
I know what cloud providers offer. However, unlike you, I can also see that using cloud providers can be suicide -- as Parler.com's near-death experience demonstrates. I will continue to hammer this point as long as you continue to not learn it.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on his not understanding it."
-- Upton Sinclair
BrightFuture explained well. You are really clueless and hopeless.
 

vincent

Senior Member
I do not need to be educated by someone who has demonstrated so little knowledge of IT and business. Especially business, where risk is nearly everything.

Parler.com took huge risks in outsourcing its IT to the cloud -- and lost. If you refuse to learn from their near-death experience, that is your problem. However, I refuse to allow you and your fellow travellers to deceive Chinese companies into doing what Parler did.

Haha... You are so damn clueless
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
BrightFuture explained well. You are really clueless and hopeless.


Haha... You are so damn clueless


Hahaha. When you've no anwser to my fundamental point, throw insults.

For onlookers, my fundamental point remains the same: a company that outsources its IT to cloud servers takes a lot of extra risks. Parler's near-death experience proves this. All the hecklers here don't try to answer this point, because they can't.
 

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