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Anlsvrthng

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Watch out Tesla here come Xpeng amazing modern, fully automated EV Factory in guangdong
How can you compete with China their factories are the latest model and most efficient.
Don't need to be amazed by car manufacturing automation.

This is an 90 years old video from a Detroit car manufacturing plant, the body assembly had only few workers , same amount like today's robotic lines : D




I love this ,video, every time when a guy mention "modern automation" I just show the body assembly from this video : )
 

Hendrik_2000

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Don't need to be amazed by car manufacturing automation.

This is an 90 years old video from a Detroit car manufacturing plant, the body assembly had only few workers , same amount like today's robotic lines : D


I love this ,video, every time when a guy mention "modern automation" I just show the body assembly from this video : )

They still need worker and they didn't do welding or assembling. All the do is FITTING SOME SORT of component.Or forming or drilling operation. Not very clear from the video. Well there is no secret to that But automation is taking those simple fitting into next level with welding process and close tolerance It is 2 different operation
 
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ougoah

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The best commercial battery tech already in manufacturing is and has for some years been firmly Chinese. However there are a few energy storage experimental tech that's promising great improvements that are not Chinese. Tesla is developing one but there are labs all over the industrialised world working in this field. I remember reading a few really impressive sounding Chinese ones that promised similar performance and so far still have not become commercial realities yet. Maybe some other member still has those papers saved.

Energy storage is actually a field that China excels in and often ignored or forgotten in these types of threads. Fast charging is another aspect of the equation too often forgotten which Chinese companies have pioneered. Not only in smart phones and devices but cars too nowadays.
 

KYli

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U.S. Drafts List of 89 China Firms With Military Ties: Reuters
The Trump administration is close to issuing a list of 89 Chinese aerospace and other companies that would be unable to access U.S. technology exports due to their military ties, Reuters
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, a move that could escalate tensions as the Biden administration prepares to take over.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Commerce declined to comment, Reuters said.
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, or Comac, and
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are among the firms named, Reuters reported, citing a draft copy of the list from the U.S. Commerce Department.

Such a declaration would restrict the companies from buying American goods and technology, Reuters said.

The move could fuel already-heightened tensions between the U.S. and China on fronts ranging from trade and Taiwan to the handling of the coronavirus as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take over from Donald Trump.

AVIC is a state-owned conglomerate with 100-plus subsidiaries and more than 450,000 employees. The Trump administration in June put AVIC on a list of companies it said were controlled or owned by China’s People’s Liberation Army. The firm also runs a civilian business that makes airliners and private jets — some built with parts made by joint ventures with American companies.

In its latest forecast on China’s commercial aviation market, Boeing said the country’s airlines are likely to buy 8,600 new planes over the next 20 years for a total of $1.4 trillion.

The U.S. list comes after Trump earlier this month signed an order barring American investments in Chinese firms owned or controlled by the military, as he increases pressure on Beijing in his final months in office.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is
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with a plan that threatens to kick Chinese firms off U.S. stock exchanges, Bloomberg reported last week, intending to propose a regulation by year-end that would lead to the delisting of companies for not complying with America’s auditing rules.

Reuters also
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Sunday that a senior U.S. military officer who oversees intelligence gathering for the Indo-Pacific Command made an unannounced visit to Taiwan, a move that risks further raising tensions between Washington and Beijing.
 

Anlsvrthng

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They still need worker and they didn't do welding or assembling. All the do is FITTING SOME SORT of component.Or forming or drilling operation. Not very clear from the video. Well there is no secret to that But automation is taking those simple fitting into next level with welding process and close tolerance It is 2 different operation
Riveting . In 1936 the understanding of electrical systems, size of resistance welding equipment was in infancy, and the material science as well.

The riveting is more difficult, require heavier tools than the 60s point welding (that still in use today, and shown on the Chinese video ), however the metal sheet thickness was higher at that time as well, making not well suited for point welding.


Point is, the line in the video was made 20 years after the very first manual build line in detroit. And it is not an add about "industry 4.0" and similar rubbish, so they happy to show the workers as well : D, and not hide them from the view angle.
 

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U.S. Drafts List of 89 China Firms With Military Ties: Reuters
The Trump administration is close to issuing a list of 89 Chinese aerospace and other companies that would be unable to access U.S. technology exports due to their military ties, Reuters
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, a move that could escalate tensions as the Biden administration prepares to take over.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Commerce declined to comment, Reuters said.
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, or Comac, and
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are among the firms named, Reuters reported, citing a draft copy of the list from the U.S. Commerce Department.

Such a declaration would restrict the companies from buying American goods and technology, Reuters said.

The move could fuel already-heightened tensions between the U.S. and China on fronts ranging from trade and Taiwan to the handling of the coronavirus as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take over from Donald Trump.

AVIC is a state-owned conglomerate with 100-plus subsidiaries and more than 450,000 employees. The Trump administration in June put AVIC on a list of companies it said were controlled or owned by China’s People’s Liberation Army. The firm also runs a civilian business that makes airliners and private jets — some built with parts made by joint ventures with American companies.

In its latest forecast on China’s commercial aviation market, Boeing said the country’s airlines are likely to buy 8,600 new planes over the next 20 years for a total of $1.4 trillion.

The U.S. list comes after Trump earlier this month signed an order barring American investments in Chinese firms owned or controlled by the military, as he increases pressure on Beijing in his final months in office.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is
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with a plan that threatens to kick Chinese firms off U.S. stock exchanges, Bloomberg reported last week, intending to propose a regulation by year-end that would lead to the delisting of companies for not complying with America’s auditing rules.

Reuters also
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Sunday that a senior U.S. military officer who oversees intelligence gathering for the Indo-Pacific Command made an unannounced visit to Taiwan, a move that risks further raising tensions between Washington and Beijing.
"Chinese Americans" in the USA ( of which I am one myself) the writing is on the wall. I suggest you frontload enjoyment of life, and take that penalty and cash out your 401k scam into liquid cash and spend it on tangile goods, services, and experiences As Soon As You Can... dont wait... do it.. do it now.
 

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U.S. Drafts List of 89 China Firms With Military Ties: Reuters
The Trump administration is close to issuing a list of 89 Chinese aerospace and other companies that would be unable to access U.S. technology exports due to their military ties, Reuters
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, a move that could escalate tensions as the Biden administration prepares to take over.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Commerce declined to comment, Reuters said.
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, or Comac, and
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are among the firms named, Reuters reported, citing a draft copy of the list from the U.S. Commerce Department.

Such a declaration would restrict the companies from buying American goods and technology, Reuters said.

The move could fuel already-heightened tensions between the U.S. and China on fronts ranging from trade and Taiwan to the handling of the coronavirus as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take over from Donald Trump.

AVIC is a state-owned conglomerate with 100-plus subsidiaries and more than 450,000 employees. The Trump administration in June put AVIC on a list of companies it said were controlled or owned by China’s People’s Liberation Army. The firm also runs a civilian business that makes airliners and private jets — some built with parts made by joint ventures with American companies.

In its latest forecast on China’s commercial aviation market, Boeing said the country’s airlines are likely to buy 8,600 new planes over the next 20 years for a total of $1.4 trillion.

The U.S. list comes after Trump earlier this month signed an order barring American investments in Chinese firms owned or controlled by the military, as he increases pressure on Beijing in his final months in office.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is
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with a plan that threatens to kick Chinese firms off U.S. stock exchanges, Bloomberg reported last week, intending to propose a regulation by year-end that would lead to the delisting of companies for not complying with America’s auditing rules.

Reuters also
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Sunday that a senior U.S. military officer who oversees intelligence gathering for the Indo-Pacific Command made an unannounced visit to Taiwan, a move that risks further raising tensions between Washington and Beijing.
Now they are including comac and avic? The development of WS-20 needs to be sped up.
 

Nobonita Barua

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U.S. Drafts List of 89 China Firms With Military Ties: Reuters
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, a move that could escalate tensions as the Biden administration prepares to take over.

A spokesman for the U.S. Department of Commerce declined to comment, Reuters said.
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, or Comac, and
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are among the firms named, Reuters reported, citing a draft copy of the list from the U.S. Commerce Department.

Such a declaration would restrict the companies from buying American goods and technology, Reuters said.

The move could fuel already-heightened tensions between the U.S. and China on fronts ranging from trade and Taiwan to the handling of the coronavirus as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take over from Donald Trump.

AVIC is a state-owned conglomerate with 100-plus subsidiaries and more than 450,000 employees. The Trump administration in June put AVIC on a list of companies it said were controlled or owned by China’s People’s Liberation Army. The firm also runs a civilian business that makes airliners and private jets — some built with parts made by joint ventures with American companies.

In its latest forecast on China’s commercial aviation market, Boeing said the country’s airlines are likely to buy 8,600 new planes over the next 20 years for a total of $1.4 trillion.

The U.S. list comes after Trump earlier this month signed an order barring American investments in Chinese firms owned or controlled by the military, as he increases pressure on Beijing in his final months in office.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is
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with a plan that threatens to kick Chinese firms off U.S. stock exchanges, Bloomberg reported last week, intending to propose a regulation by year-end that would lead to the delisting of companies for not complying with America’s auditing rules.

Reuters also
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Sunday that a senior U.S. military officer who oversees intelligence gathering for the Indo-Pacific Command made an unannounced visit to Taiwan, a move that risks further raising tensions between Washington and Beijing.
why don't they put all of them in that list & call it a day?
 

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