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OppositeDay

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China needs that tech, at least it's coming from TW not US
Xi and his circle and Chinese government in general have no idea how propaganda works. By uttering the words 'import' and 'high quality' together you're reinforcing the idea that imported goods are of higher quality. This is Propaganda 101 in the West, but the Chinese government just doesn't get it.
 

Orthan

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Building national champions is harder in an open system but that’s because you’re being forced to compete with the best, the standard you have to catch up to is higher. One of these has a better material outcome. Ultimately I think China should still be as self sufficient as it needs to be but as open trade as it can.
I think that i can agree with that. Yes, china will need national champions and will need to protect them, but at the same time, allow some open trade with the outside. Its a balance betwen the two concerns.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I have to be honest here. Tesla is light years ahead of most EV manufactures in both software and battery technology.
I think you are wrong Tesla battery is outsourced from CATL a Fujian based company and they are the leading battery maker As to to software Xpeng got hold of Tesla software a lawsuit is brewing now


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    that his company has a battery pack ready for electric vehicles that will last as much as 1.2 million miles.
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  • The battery pack does have a 10 percent price premium over current batteries, but the benefits could include using the same pack in multiple cars over a long life span.

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Xiaopeng employs at least five former Tesla employees, the company said in the lawsuit.

As I write in The New Art of War, Chinese engineers and scientists working in the United States are recruited by government officials in charge of developing certain technologies, such as semiconductors or supercomputers. It’s all part of a program called Thousand Talents. It’s perfectly legal and within international norms to attempt to recruit one’s own nationals who have gone to the United States to study and to conduct research. What’s different in China’s case is that it is organized and carried out on a massive scale.


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quantumlight

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I think you are wrong Tesla battery is outsourced from CATL a Fujian based company and they are the leading battery maker As to to software Xpeng got hold of Tesla software a lawsuit is brewing now


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    that his company has a battery pack ready for electric vehicles that will last as much as 1.2 million miles.
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    is ready to make an announcement about
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  • The battery pack does have a 10 percent price premium over current batteries, but the benefits could include using the same pack in multiple cars over a long life span.

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Xiaopeng employs at least five former Tesla employees, the company said in the lawsuit.

As I write in The New Art of War, Chinese engineers and scientists working in the United States are recruited by government officials in charge of developing certain technologies, such as semiconductors or supercomputers. It’s all part of a program called Thousand Talents. It’s perfectly legal and within international norms to attempt to recruit one’s own nationals who have gone to the United States to study and to conduct research. What’s different in China’s case is that it is organized and carried out on a massive scale.


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Also SelfDriving tech in general has been slower than expected... getting from zero to 90% there turns out is 10x easier than the remainder 90 to 100%

Telsa AI uses Nvidia hardware and they have been promising their "full autopilot" is just around the corner since 2017

Its not happening... anytime soon...
 

quantumlight

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True Level 5 Self Driving can only happen if:

1) We get quantum nueral network AI
2) if on silicon chips, each car ( if not networked) will need a small datacenter in its trunk, making it energy, price impratical
3) the bulk of the SD will be in the cloud and the car will use 5g/6g for constant cimmunication and streaming

Tesla only uses cameras no Lidar

This makes their work more challenging, its possible to rely on only visual sensors but their AI/tech is nowhere close

True SDC will need constant 5G uplink... Tesla cars dont have Lidar nor 5G
 

weig2000

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As I write in The New Art of War, Chinese engineers and scientists working in the United States are recruited by government officials in charge of developing certain technologies, such as semiconductors or supercomputers. It’s all part of a program called Thousand Talents. It’s perfectly legal and within international norms to attempt to recruit one’s own nationals who have gone to the United States to study and to conduct research. What’s different in China’s case is that it is organized and carried out on a massive scale.
Thousand Talents Program started years ago as program to prevent the brain-drain or at least lessen the effects for China, when China had been (and is still) losing talents to the west en masse. The idea is to recruit overseas Chinese scholars, mostly but not limited to Chinese nationals, to spend some times regularly on short-term basis in China to lead research programs and educate the future generations. The Chinese government knew it would be difficult to convince these people to go back to work in China permanently giving the standard of living and the research environment back then. That's also why we've been hearing some of the recent cases in the US whereby the US government accusing some scholars working for Chinese institutions where still being employed at the US institutions. Most of these people are academic people working on basic research, which is also why the American institutions actually encouraged them or at least did not oppose. Until the current administration turning hostile to China, that is.

The Thousand Talents Program has since been demonized in the US as a target program of intellectual property stealing or even spying by the evil Communist Party of China.
 

texx1

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Thousand Talents Program started years ago as program to prevent the brain-drain or at least lessen the effects for China, when China had been (and is still) losing talents to the west en masse. The idea is to recruit overseas Chinese scholars, mostly but not limited to Chinese nationals, to spend some times regularly on short-term basis in China to lead research programs and educate the future generations. The Chinese government knew it would be difficult to convince these people to go back to work in China permanently giving the standard of living and the research environment back then.
Some of the brain drain is caused by CCP's own policy of vastly lopsided preferential treatment of international students in Chinese universities. Members who are familiar with Chinese social media or Chinese education should be familiar with the following.

Many foreigner students get to live in spacious hotel like dorms while local students still have to be content with 4 sometimes 8 people dorms. Certain facilities are restricted to foreign students only. Chinese universities also like to organize stupid activities such asking local students to clean toilets in international students' dormitories, providing female "companionship" to international students (University of Shandong)

Scholarship for foreigner students is also much higher than the locals, requirements are a lot less stringent. In many cases, attendance not grade is the only requirement. Unlike in the west where international students need to go though some ESL courses, Chinese language requirement for international student is very limited and usually not enforced. Many Chinese universities teach their foreign students in English.

Basically, putting foreign students on a pedestal sends a discouraging message to aspiring locals that government simply doesn't care about them as much as foreigners. Hence, many became disillusioned and left.
 

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