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ASML CEO Peter Wennink says they can in fact continue to sell DUV lithography machines to China without needing to apply for US export license. However he did not discuss EUV.
It is an empty gesture. ASML can and want to sell something China doesn't need now or soon, but not able to sell something really valuable. What is ASML (in fact the Dutch government) thinking? For that I can say China has no problem selling ice to the Netherlands. :D
 

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The attractiveness of the China market, Toyota need to scale up its hybrid tech to stay relevant, or be overtaken by Chinese EV cars and Tesla. Here you can see the trade off and Chinese gov't support, no wonder the QUAD meeting statement happen not without a bang but a whimper

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Toyota reportedly to offer hybrid technology to Chinese automakers
2020-10-18 20:37:28 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Toyota has decided to supply the core system of its hybrid vehicle to major Chinese automaker Guangzhou Automobile Group (GAC), the first time in Toyota's history that it will offer hybrid vehicle technology to a foreign company, according to
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The hybrid technology will be provided to Guangzhou Automobile, a joint venture partner in China, by BluE Nexus, a company jointly owned by Toyota, Denso, and Aisin Seiki, the report said.
BluE Nexus, which develops and supplies drive systems for hybrid vehicles, has reached an agreement with Guangzhou Automobile on the technology transfer. The Japanese company is also believed to have agreed to offer the technology to Geely, a privately owned Chinese automaker, according to Nikkei.
The move follows a decision by China to include hybrid vehicles in the eco-friendly vehicle category under new emissions standards starting next year. At present, hybrid vehicles are treated in the same way as gasoline-powered ones. Japanese companies, including Toyota, hope to take advantage of the new rules to expand sales in China, the report said.

Under the new emissions rules, hybrid vehicles will count as low-emission vehicles, making it easier for Japanese companies, which excel in hybrid technology, to meet China's tight emissions requirements. The rule change has also prompted Chinese automakers to adopt hybrid technology more broadly.

In an effort to expand the market for hybrid cars in China, Toyota has offered specific patented technologies free of charge since the spring of 2019. But that did not lead to a major shift to hybrid models, due in part to the difficulty of making them locally. This prompted calls for Toyota to make the entire hybrid system available to other manufacturers.
Toyota's market share in China remains around 6%, even after it sold a record 1.62 million vehicles last year. It sought to lift sales with the release of an electric vehicle this year but sold fewer than 2,000 in the first eight months.
The move is the latest by the Japanese carmaker to try to expand in China.

In March, Reuters reported that Toyota and its partner FAW Group plan to build a new electric vehicle plant in Tianjin with a planned investment of about 8.5 billion yuan (about $1.22 billion).
Documents showed that the plant will have a manufacturing capacity of 200,000 new energy vehicles each year. In China, new energy vehicles include pure electric vehicles, hybrid vehicles and fuel cell vehicles.
Toyota declined to comment on the project but said in a statement that it views China as one of its most important global markets and is constantly considering implementing various measures in China to meet the needs of developing business in China.

In June, Toyota announced that in order to popularize hydrogen fuel cell vehicles (FCEVs) in China, it has joined forces with five Chinese companies to establish a commercial vehicle a fuel cell system development company.
The five Chinese companies are China FAW, Dongfeng Motor Group, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. Ltd., Beijing Automotive Group Co. Ltd. and Beijing Sino Hytec.
The new company is called United Fuel Cell System Research and Development (Beijing) Co. Jointly funded by the companies, it is expected to be formally established in Beijing within 2020.
Toyota is not offering anything to Chinese maker but only to its own JV in China. Huge difference.

Besides, hybrid is almost dead as the E85 decade ago. If it has a future, why there is no following outside of Japan? Toyota is only trying to get their investment back before it becomes totally worthless.
 

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Why is very very far? With this logic the 20years old TGV which run at 587 km/h is superior to last years Fuxings? Japan needs to put in use this shuttle. Or never happened :p
From what I saw, China's 600kmh maglev is still in early early development, testing at max speed of 50kmh, while Japan's already reached 600kmh in 2015
 

taxiya

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Does anyone know what are China's plans for maglev? I saw some articles vaguely mentioning maglev lines are planned but can't find much about it.

The so called Chinese 600kmh maglev under development seems to be very very far behind Japan which already broke 600kmh in tests.
So if you just bought a brand new Mercedes, the next day your neighbor bought a Tesla to replace his 20 year old Toyota, will you buy a Tesla tomorrow?

What matters is if you have the means to replace your Mercedes with a luxury EV preferably better than Tesla in a few years. China does have the means. It would be stupid to blindly compete for bragging right.
 

taxiya

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400km/h and can adapt to different rail gauges and power systems
I suppose the primary purpose of it is for Central Asian and Russia. But I really don't understand why they got stuck to the broad gauge. After all, new HSR tracks are going to be new constructions, what is the point of sticking to a different gauge standard? For pride only? Neither do I see validity of old arguments for the difference at the beginning of the railway history in today's condition.
 

texx1

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It is an empty gesture. ASML can and want to sell something China doesn't need now or soon, but not able to sell something really valuable. What is ASML (in fact the Dutch government) thinking? For that I can say China has no problem selling ice to the Netherlands. :D

It's an effective strategy. Within Chinese government, there are lots of westernized market-oriented liberals who favour foreign products while looking down at domestic alternatives. Many faithfully worship buying oversea is much better than building its own because it shows up on economic performance indicators much faster. Better KPI usually results in better chances of promotion.

Since Chinese DUV technology is appearing. ASML is just gaming the system, hoping those liberals would again lobby for them. This strategy really depends on how serious china is about promoting domestic chip alternatives. If the government doesn't take actions to protect fragile 100% indigenous chip manufacturing, foreign suppliers have a fair chance. I say that because so far i haven't seen any legal requirements for Chinese foundries to use at least some indigenous machines. Since people usually follow their own interest first, legal requirements are necessary.
 

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I suppose the primary purpose of it is for Central Asian and Russia. But I really don't understand why they got stuck to the broad gauge. After all, new HSR tracks are going to be new constructions, what is the point of sticking to a different gauge standard? For pride only? Neither do I see validity of old arguments for the difference at the beginning of the railway history in today's condition.

Too broke to switch obviously. Needs Chinese investment.
 
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