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TD739

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Also tech are majority democrats and California. Trump hate them both. First time an US president is acting such way to hurt his opponent
A question to any experts (or anyone for that matter) here:

How fast can SMEE rollout their 28-nm lithography machine? Right now, I believe SMIC only has SMEE's 45-nm machine this year (although I may be wrong). This means SMIC can only independently fabricate 25-nm chips with fully-independent Chinese technology.

Also, is SMEE working on another advanced DUV/EUV lithography machine that can allow SMIC to fabricate chips 7-nm and below? How fast can we expect them to roll this out, and how fast can we expect SMIC, using these new machines, to achieve 7-nm and below chips?
Ren and his crew was visiting CAS few days ago. Talk about the ultimate development.
 

horse

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A question to any experts (or anyone for that matter) here:
Not an expert here, for sure! Haha!

Relax, Huawei got a stockpile. There will be no disruption in their base station production for 5G in the coming future.

As for the phones, Huawei was nowhere five years ago. It will not take five years to replace all those chips the Americans forbade TMSC to sell to Huawei. Then Huawei phones have the prefect marketing story. Pff ... what a way to defeat an opponent ... give Ren Zhenfei advantages he can use!

Only Huawei and SMIC are banned by the US government, which is kind of stupid.

There could be smuggling of chips, but the Chinese won't even do that, because it probably will not be necessary.

The US government only wants to ban two Chinese companies so they do not become behemoths, but still want to sell to all other Chinese companies.

Uncle Sam acting like a spoiled brat.

Make a couple moves, and the brat will be taken care very easily. At least that is what I have observed in the real world.

Someone is misjudged the competitive landscape!

:p
 

horse

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Also tech are majority democrats and California. Trump hate them both. First time an US president is acting such way to hurt his opponent
But he is hurting his own country.

That we cannot expect to happen, or continue to happen.

Then agains ...

:D
 

TD739

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Not an expert here, for sure! Haha!

Relax, Huawei got a stockpile. There will be no disruption in their base station production for 5G in the coming future.

As for the phones, Huawei was nowhere five years ago. It will not take five years to replace all those chips the Americans forbade TMSC to sell to Huawei. Then Huawei phones have the prefect marketing story. Pff ... what a way to defeat an opponent ... give Ren Zhenfei advantages he can use!

Only Huawei and SMIC are banned by the US government, which is kind of stupid.

There could be smuggling of chips, but the Chinese won't even do that, because it probably will not be necessary.

The US government only wants to ban two Chinese companies so they do not become behemoths, but still want to sell to all other Chinese companies.

Uncle Sam acting like a spoiled brat.

Make a couple moves, and the brat will be taken care very easily. At least that is what I have observed in the real world.

Someone is misjudged the competitive landscape!

:p
Hundred of Chinese companies and universities have been sanctioned for the past 2 years. Not just Huawei and SMIC. Alot of Chinese universities have been banned from purchasing Matlab. It's kind dumb though. Softwares widely available in black market.
 

TD739

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Huawei harmony OS and 5g lab at Dongguan caught huge fire couple days ago. Eerily similar to Iran key research labs and locations caught fire or exploded. Could be act of sabotage.

Road map already clear. With small miracle, China will achieve it's short term goal and will get stuck at that domestic tech for long long time. The big miracle could happen in 10 to 15 years of development. Huawei knows that already. So that's why it plans ditch its high end phone business after next year. Be instead it will focus on some other stuff, continue to develope Harmony OS and license it out like Android of Google.
 

horse

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Road map already clear. With small miracle, China will achieve it's short term goal and will get stuck at that domestic tech for long long time. The big miracle could happen in 10 to 15 years of development. Huawei knows that already. So that's why it plans ditch its high end phone business after next year. Be instead it will focus on some other stuff, continue to develope Harmony OS and license it out like Android of Google.
Huawei will never give up its high end phone business. It is too lucrative.

Huawei isn't exactly the first company in history to face a shortage of something.

What's with the defeatist mentality that it is assumed they will give up that easily?
 

antiterror13

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Hi Andrew

You and WTAN had explain it beautifully, this sanction on SMIC is a heaven sent both for Huawei and the Chinese IC industry as a whole, 2020 is a disaster year for all of us, but it will be remembered as the start of Chinese IC renaissance.

So the sanctions don't make sense if their goal is to punish SMIC for supplying to the military.

Chinese military has its own specialize equipment for Chips.

what equipment that Chinese military have to produce chips?
 

antiterror13

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Also tech are majority democrats and California. Trump hate them both. First time an US president is acting such way to hurt his opponent

Ren and his crew was visiting CAS few days ago. Talk about the ultimate development.

yeapp, Ren did visit CAS with big cheque book as well ;)
 

antiterror13

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Hundred of Chinese companies and universities have been sanctioned for the past 2 years. Not just Huawei and SMIC. Alot of Chinese universities have been banned from purchasing Matlab. It's kind dumb though. Softwares widely available in black market.

Matlab is widely available for "free", if you really want it :rolleyes: ... but, no, China should put a lot of investment into developing the similar software, it is hard but achievable, especially for China. There are millions very good developers in China and many of them are really world class level. China, Russia, Japan and EU consistently winning world programming contests, not Americans
 
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