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hullopilllw

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If only they can get some of the Asians that believe there's no hope without Western acceptance to get all Chinese to think like that so that this kind of news would be irrelevant...

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antiterror13

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Hi Skywatcher

Is there any new customer for ASML aside from TSMC and Samsung?I think both had already bought the equipment and didnt need additional order , while Intel is uncertain until they develop their 5nm tech.

I don't see any other companies would take EUV in the next 5 years, apart from currently TSMC, Samsung, Intel and possibly SMIC ( if it's "allowed"), so the market is quite small. The cost is very high and would need big market to make it worthwhile
 

ansy1968

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I don't see any other companies would take EUV in the next 5 years, apart from currently TSMC, Samsung, Intel and possibly SMIC ( if it's "allowed"), so the market is quite small. The cost is very high and would need big market to make it worthwhile
Hi antiterror13

Yup, its a niche market, like Skywatcher said only a few FAB can maintain the leading edge, and if SMEE miraculously is able to release its EUV this year ,its game over. But using DUV for non leading edge is still viable as stated by the article below, but even here the new SMEE 28nm DUV will take a lot of market share especially in China (the only player in town).

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Chinese chipmaker UNISOC releases TSMC 28 nm-based smartwatch chip
2020-07-12 17:56:36 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Chinese chipmaker UNISOC releases TSMC 28 nm-based smartwatch chip-cnTechPost

UNISOC, China-based supplier of mobile communications chipsets and IoT chipsets, today announced the W307, the next-generation smartwatch platform.

The W307 is based on TSMC's 28 nm HPC+ process and features an integrated CPU, memory, 4G multimode modem, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, GNSS, and imaging systems.

The W307 has a smaller footprint than its predecessor, the Chunteng 8521E, bringing more freedom in the design space for end products.
The W307 is significantly optimized for performance, connectivity, intelligence, and power consumption.
Chinese chipmaker UNISOC releases TSMC 28 nm-based smartwatch chip-cnTechPost



Key highlights of the platform, according to UNISOC, include:
Highly integrated: The W307 SoC is based on a single-core A53 processor and offers 30% less package area than its predecessor, which saves you money. The W307 has a large PCB layout area and can be used as a single-sided pendulum.

Light system and low power consumption: The W307 features an RTOS lightweight system for smooth and responsive user experience. The overall power consumption is more than 30% lower than the previous generation, which can bring more durable performance for the smartwatch.
HD Video Calling: W307 has built-in UNISOC's reliable and globally certified second-generation 4G LTE multimode modem. It supports LTE Cat4, WCDMA, and GSM communication protocols and provides 4G+Wi-Fi HD video calls.


Sub-meter high precision positioning: combined with UNISOC AI multi-location technology, high precision positioning SDK, W307 It can support sub-meter high precision positioning. This provides a strong technical foundation for applications such as electronic fencing and meets the needs of parents who want a precise location for their children.

Rich Applications: The W307 is compatible with a wide range of RTOS applications and supports 9-axis sensors and the popular voice assistant, voice mail, and voice mail applications. Applications such as voice chat and pedometers provide a rich and fun interactive and entertaining experience for children.
 

ougoah

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What is this about Japanese companies going offshore from China now?

Honda just bought shares of the Chinese company making batteries for Tesla.

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Honda hasn't been investing and developing battery tech or full EVs properly after a few stints in hybrids and EV research. This just looks like their hedging their bets a little.
 

ansy1968

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Honda hasn't been investing and developing battery tech or full EVs properly after a few stints in hybrids and EV research. This just looks like their hedging their bets a little.
Hi ougoah,

They need to hurry or Tesla lead will increase.

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CATL to supply batteries to Tesla's Shanghai plant from this month
2020-07-13 14:05:10 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Starting this month, Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), China's largest automotive lithium-ion battery maker, will supply power batteries for Tesla's Shanghai Gigafactory, the
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quoted CATL sources as saying.
CATL revealed in February that it would be Tesla's battery supplier.

With CATL batteries, Tesla's prices in China could be further reduced. It is widely believed that CATL's power cells will provide the Tesla's domestic models much more competitive advantage.

The two sides have yet to reveal any specific details involving the battery type and other details.
Shenzhen-listed CATL shares went up by the 10 percent daily limit on the news.
CATL to supply batteries to Tesla's Shanghai plant from this month-cnTechPost
 

ougoah

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Hi ougoah,

They need to hurry or Tesla lead will increase.

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CATL to supply batteries to Tesla's Shanghai plant from this month
2020-07-13 14:05:10 GMT+8 | cnTechPost
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Starting this month, Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL), China's largest automotive lithium-ion battery maker, will supply power batteries for Tesla's Shanghai Gigafactory, the
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quoted CATL sources as saying.
CATL revealed in February that it would be Tesla's battery supplier.

With CATL batteries, Tesla's prices in China could be further reduced. It is widely believed that CATL's power cells will provide the Tesla's domestic models much more competitive advantage.

The two sides have yet to reveal any specific details involving the battery type and other details.
Shenzhen-listed CATL shares went up by the 10 percent daily limit on the news.
CATL to supply batteries to Tesla's Shanghai plant from this month-cnTechPost's Shanghai plant from this month-cnTechPost

I think Honda is slowly falling behind in auto making. Well the decline started in 2006/7 when they failed to update their technology. Honda engines are still excellent but they are now far off Mazda and Toyota who have been introducing pretty revolutionary internal combustion engine and drivetrain technologies that make gasoline cars almost as evo friendly as hybrids. Don't know what Honda's gameplan is now that the world is at the precipice of going full EV. They dabbled in everything even robots like Asimo, but motors remain Honda's bread and butter. It's just complacency that's taken them to the back seat in the auto industry now. Mazda however has been doing so well under Sumitomo.

I've always admired the engineering structure of Korean Chaebols and Japanese Zaibatsus. China's giants are all state owned and mostly state run or entirely industry focused like AVIC. An organisation with deep and spread out engineering talent is just damn cool. Something like Hyundai that makes everything from SUVs to tanks to destroyers. Huawei is the closest Chinese equivalent but they still mostly only dwell in semiconductors, computing, and telecom. But the Americans are similar and also relatively industry focused. Only the Japanese and Koreans have real life Weyland-Yutani engineering giant conglomerates.
 

AndrewS

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I think Honda is slowly falling behind in auto making. Well the decline started in 2006/7 when they failed to update their technology. Honda engines are still excellent but they are now far off Mazda and Toyota who have been introducing pretty revolutionary internal combustion engine and drivetrain technologies that make gasoline cars almost as evo friendly as hybrids. Don't know what Honda's gameplan is now that the world is at the precipice of going full EV. They dabbled in everything even robots like Asimo, but motors remain Honda's bread and butter. It's just complacency that's taken them to the back seat in the auto industry now. Mazda however has been doing so well under Sumitomo.

I've always admired the engineering structure of Korean Chaebols and Japanese Zaibatsus. China's giants are all state owned and mostly state run or entirely industry focused like AVIC. An organisation with deep and spread out engineering talent is just damn cool. Something like Hyundai that makes everything from SUVs to tanks to destroyers. Huawei is the closest Chinese equivalent but they still mostly only dwell in semiconductors, computing, and telecom. But the Americans are similar and also relatively industry focused. Only the Japanese and Koreans have real life Weyland-Yutani engineering giant conglomerates.

Honda is at heart an engine company, rather than automobile company.
That goes back to its roots and company ethos.

But complex engines are being replaced with simpler batteries everywhere.
 
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