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B.I.B.

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Why don't they use their own script to write their version of the word,or is their script too limited?

With all this talk on who took what from who,next thing, next thing the Indians will be jumping in and blaming the world for taking their concept of zero

By the way thanks for the advice on checking on the operating frequencies.
At this stage,the only one that seems to match are the 4g lte bands.
 
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on November 14, 2019 1:00 PM EST



SMIC has started volume production of chips using its 14 nm FinFET manufacturing technology. The largest contract maker of semiconductors in China is the first company in the country to join the FinFET club, as only a handful of companies have managed to develop fabrication processes that rely on such transistors. SMIC’s FinFET line is considerably smaller than those of other foundries, yet the fact that the company is using it is already a big deal for China.

SMIC’s previous-generation manufacturing technology is 28 nm, so the 14 nm process tangibly increases transistor density, boosts performance, and lowers power consumption, which naturally enables the company to produce more complex and expensive chips that were otherwise outsourced to its larger rivals. At present, SMIC ramps up production using its 14 nm process technology at one of its 300-mm fabs, so initial volumes are not high. Meanwhile, SMIC’s plans include building up a new 300-mm production line for 14 nm and thinner process technologies with a monthly capacity of
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wafer starts per month. Construction of the fab was completed earlier this year and the company is currently installing production equipment.

In addition to ramp of its 1st Generation FinFET platform, SMIC’s development of its 12 nm process is well underway and there are customers who plan to use the technology. Furthermore, the company is developing more advanced processes, including those that will require extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUVL) tools, that will be used next decade. In fact, the company has even acquired an EUV step-and-scan system from ASML, but it has not been installed so far.

Being relatively small foundry, SMIC is gradually closing the gap between itself and larger rivals when it comes to technology development. Meanwhile, because each new process costs more in terms of R&D, companies need to increase their production volumes to make development financially viable. Therefore, it is crucial for SMIC (and other foundries) to procure advanced production equipment on a timely manner and increase their manufacturing volumes for long-term success.

Dr. Zhao Haijun and Dr. Liang Mong Song, SMIC's co-CEOs said in their joint statement:

"Over the past two years, we have not only narrowed the advanced technology gap, but also expanded comprehensive mature node technology platforms. We have confidence that with the wave of 5G applications, we will enter a new stage of development.

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FinFET technology development continues to push forward: the first generation of FinFET has already successfully begun mass production and will begin to contribute revenue in the fourth quarter; meanwhile, the development of second generation of FinFET is steady, and customer engagement is smooth. We believe that SMIC will benefit from the extensive business opportunities brought by the upcoming 5G product migration, and we will exit this period of transition and re-enter growth."

 

Chish

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Hi guys, what is happening to Huawei now that the lifeline by Trump had expired. American officials had said that was the last lifeline. This time will it let Huawei die?
Trump also threaten higher tariffs if China not sign a great deal for America. Trump want China to buy 50 billions of agriculture products within two years? Not sure what is going on. Seems trade war has never been getting any better in spite of all the talks.
 
Hi guys, what is happening to Huawei now that the lifeline by Trump had expired. American officials had said that was the last lifeline. This time will it let Huawei die?
Trump also threaten higher tariffs if China not sign a great deal for America. Trump want China to buy 50 billions of agriculture products within two years? Not sure what is going on. Seems trade war has never been getting any better in spite of all the talks.
1. There is no Huawei lifeline; any foreign company that relies on the US might as well lay in a coffin. Huawei has made 80% of its 5G stations so far without US components the first 20% were made before the US ban). America has tried every ugly trick in the book only to see Huawei grow by double digits and it is absolutely clear by now that the US government can do no harm to Huawei. The whole US government will die before Huawei even stumbles. If they remove sanctions, it is in admission of defeat with final desperate hopes of preserving the US parts market in China.

2. Trump's tariffs have caused US GDP to go from 3.1% growth to 2.1% to 1.9%. China went from 6.4% to 6.2% to 6.0%. So it caused China's growth rate to go from double to triple that of America's. US economy flashing multiple recession signs while Chinese domestic consumption rising sharply. Good job; tariff away.

3. China will buy as much or as little agricultural products as it sees fit and has resisted any funny demands of a purchase commitment in terms of dollar value. Chinese agricultural purchases have diversified to other countries but American markets have not and can not.
 

zgx09t

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The utility of tariff as a political instrument cannot and will not escape the law of diminishing returns. Even with the surgical use of it as a trade policy tool, it has at most dubious or ineffectual effects.
 
The utility of tariff as a political instrument cannot and will not escape the law of diminishing returns. Even with the surgical use of it as a trade policy tool, it has at most dubious or ineffectual effects.
The Trump Administration's tariffs strategy is incredibly lacking in intelligence and design. When Trump wanted to tariff China with the goal of doing maximum harm to the Chinese economy with minimum collateral damage to the American economy, he ordered an economic study, which concluded $39 billion in goods that would have that effect. He purposely overshot that number in rage and said he would go to the full $550 billion, and now, he's devastating the US economy, which is exactly what they told him would happen if he over-tariffed.

On the other hand, Chinese tariffs are very precise and measured. A small amount of tariffs to bring America's agriculture to its knees while China diversifies and avoids damage. This is a textbook example of less is more and what happens when a buffoon swings red-faced at a skilled and calculated fighter.
 

zgx09t

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On the other hand, Chinese tariffs are very precise and measured. A small amount of tariffs to bring America's agriculture to its knees while China diversifies and avoids damage. This is a textbook example of less is more and what happens when a buffoon swings red-faced at a skilled and calculated fighter.
Exactly, China executes and leaves the incremental marginal effect at maximum upon where it hurts America the most, unlike Trump who now has to contend with diminishing or even negative returns.
 

Chish

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thanks guys for all your thoughts thought this may be off-topic or wrong thread. The reason i asked about Huawei health is because me wife just bought a P30 Pro here in Australia and she loves it (mainly because of the camera). I was hoping it will keep working in the foreseeable future without any problem.
 
The Trump Administration's tariffs strategy is incredibly lacking in intelligence and design. When Trump wanted to tariff China with the goal of doing maximum harm to the Chinese economy with minimum collateral damage to the American economy, he ordered an economic study, which concluded $39 billion in goods that would have that effect. He purposely overshot that number in rage and said he would go to the full $550 billion, and now, he's devastating the US economy, which is exactly what they told him would happen if he over-tariffed.

On the other hand, Chinese tariffs are very precise and measured. A small amount of tariffs to bring America's agriculture to its knees while China diversifies and avoids damage. This is a textbook example of less is more and what happens when a buffoon swings red-faced at a skilled and calculated fighter.
$39B tariff possibly the optimum number, but Trumps is just to smart .. he is smarter than the combined of all American economists and know better than the combined of all US generals, such amazing human being mind

Nobody in right mind now would want to use American parts/technologies in their design, probably some would have to use American parts/technologies but the trend is very clear that they would avoid it

All other big countries (Japan, EU, India, etc) are fully aware that once US-China trade war settled, they will be the next!
 

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