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Amazon Wants to Disrupt Health Care in America. In China, Tech Giants Already Have.

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JAN. 31, 2018


BEIJING — Amazon and two other American titans are trying to
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health care by experimenting with their own employees’ coverage. By Chinese standards, they’re behind the curve.

Technology companies like Alibaba and Tencent have made health care a priority for years, and are using China as their laboratory. After testing online medical advice and drug tracking systems, they are now focused on a more advanced tool: artificial intelligence.

Their aggressive push underscores the differences between the health care systems in China and the United States.

Chinese hospitals are overburdened, with just 1.5 doctors for every 1,000 people — barely half the figure in the United States. Along with a rapidly aging population, China also has the largest number of obese children in the world, as well as more diabetes patients than anywhere else.

The companies’ technological push is encouraged by the government. Beijing has said it
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and pledged to take on the United States in the field. While officials have emphasized the use of artificial intelligence in areas like defense and self-driving cars, they have also aggressively promoted its use in health care.

Alibaba and Tencent, which already dominate China’s e-commerce and mobile payments sectors, are at the forefront. Among their goals: building diagnostic tools that will make doctors more efficient.

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as a way to provide simplified, affordable medical services. Although the alliance is still in the
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, it could create online services for medical advice or use its overall heft to negotiate for lower drug prices.

“It’s fair to say that across the board, the Chinese tech companies have all embraced being involved in and being active in the health care space, unlike the U.S., where some of them have and some have not,” said Laura Nelson Carney, an Asia-Pacific health care analyst at Bernstein Research.

“Few of them have made moves as big as in China,” Ms. Carney said, referring to Alibaba and Tencent’s American rivals.

Those big moves have had varying degrees of success.

In 2014, Alibaba announced a “future hospital” plan intended to make treatment more efficient by allowing patients to consult with doctors online and order drugs via the internet. But two years later, Chinese regulators stopped the sale of over-the-counter drugs on Tmall, Alibaba’s e-commerce website. They also suspended a drug-monitoring system that the company had created. And last year, the search engine company Baidu scrapped its internet health care service, which allowed patients to book doctors appointments through an app, in a bid to focus solely on A.I.

But some of the more recent initiatives have made inroads. Last year, Alibaba’s health unit introduced A.I. software that can help interpret CT scans and an A.I. medical lab to help doctors make diagnoses. About a month later, Tencent unveiled Miying, a medical imaging program that helps doctors detect early signs of cancer, in the southwestern region of Guangxi. It is now used in nearly 100 hospitals across China.

Tencent has also invested in WeDoctor Group, which has opened its own take on Alibaba’s “future hospital” in northwestern China. The service allows patients to video chat with doctors and fill their prescriptions online.

Advances in artificial intelligence have already been transformative for China’s overworked doctors.

Dr. Yu Weihong, an ophthalmologist at Peking Union Medical College Hospital, said she used to take up to two days to analyze a patient’s eyes by scrutinizing grainy images before discussing her findings with colleagues and writing up a report. Artificial intelligence software currently being tested by the hospital helps her do all that dramatically faster.

“Now, you don’t even need a minute,” she said.

The software has been developed by VoxelCloud, a start-up has raised about $28.5 million from companies including Tencent and the Silicon Valley venture capital firm Sequoia Capital. It specializes in automated medical image analysis, helping eye doctors like Dr. Yu screen patients for diabetic retinopathy, the leading cause of blindness among China’s working-age population.

There are just 20 eye doctors for every million people here, a third of the proportion in the United States. In April, Beijing announced an ambitious plan for the country’s 110 million diabetics to undergo eye tests.

“It’s impossible for one person to read that many images,” said Dr. Yu.

Ding Xiaowei, whose grandparents were doctors, founded VoxelCloud in 2016, three months after completing his doctorate in computer science at U.C.L.A. The company, which has offices in Los Angeles and the Chinese cities of Shanghai and Suzhou, is awaiting the green light from China’s version of the F.D.A. for five diagnostic tools for CT scans and retina disease.

The sheer size of China’s population — nearly 1.4 billion people who could provide a vast number of images to feed into their systems — provides a potential advantage for the development of artificial intelligence. Also helping: China has fewer concerns about privacy, allowing for easier collection of data that could result in smarter and more efficient A.I. systems. Regulation here isn’t as strict as in the United States, either.

In all, more than 130 companies are applying A.I. in ways that could increase the efficiency of China’s health care system, according to
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, an industry consultancy based in Beijing. They range from behemoths like Alibaba and Tencent to domestic champions iFlyTek, which invented a robot that passed a Chinese medical licensing exam, and an array of smaller start-ups.

Money is flowing in. As of last August, venture capitalists such as Sequoia and Matrix Partners had invested at least $2.7 billion in such businesses, according to Yiou. Analysts at Bernstein estimated that spending in China’s health tech industry will reach $150 billion by 2020.

Behind this push is a realization that the country’s health care system is in crisis. With no functioning primary care system, patients flock to hospitals in major cities, sometimes camping out overnight just to get treatment for a fever. Doctors are overworked, and reports of stabbings and assaults by frustrated patients and their relatives are not uncommon.

Yunfeng, the personal investment fund of the Alibaba founder Jack Ma, has invested in one company, Yitu, that hopes to address the shortfall of resources. Yitu is working with Zhejiang Provincial People’s Hospital, the best medical facility in eastern Zhejiang province, to develop software that automates the identification of early stages of lung cancer.

While it initially focused on facial recognition, Yitu has branched out into more complex image-recognition challenges, like cancer scans. Lin Chenxi, who left Alibaba to establish the company in 2012, said he hoped to use the technology to ensure equal access to medical treatment across China.

“In China, medical resources are very scarce and unequally distributed so that the top resources are concentrated in provincial capitals,” he said. “With this system, if it can be used at hospitals in rural cities, then it will make the medical experience much better.”

Trying to identify cancer nodes — shifting black-and-white splotches that look something like a Rorschach test — is grueling work, and China’s doctors have far less time and resources than their counterparts in the United States and elsewhere. Gong Xiangyang, the head of the hospital’s radiology department, likened the process to a factory, where burnout and mistakes from overwork can happen.

“We have to deal with a vast amount of medical images everyday,” he said. “So we welcome technology if it can relieve the pressure while boosting efficiency and accuracy.”

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China will build 3 times more battery plants than the rest of the world combined.

The Breakneck Rise of China’s Colossus of Electric-Car Batteries

February 1, 2018

Jie Ma, David Stringer, Yan Zhang and Sohee Kim, Bloomberg Business

The next global powerhouse in the auto industry comes from a small city in a tea-growing province of southeast China, where an unheralded maker of electric-vehicle batteries is planning a $1.3 billion factory with enough capacity to surpass the output of Tesla and dwarf the suppliers for battery-powered cars by GM, Nissan and Audi.

Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd., or CATL, already sells the most batteries to the biggest electric-vehicle makers in the biggest EV market: China. Now it wants to use proceeds from a pending initial public offering backed by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to get under the hoods of more European marques and secure customers in the U.S.

The company plans to raise 13.1 billion yuan ($2 billion) as soon as this year by selling a 10 percent stake, at a valuation of about $20 billion. The share sale would finance construction of a battery-cell plant second in size only to Tesla Inc.’s Gigafactory in Nevada—big enough to cement China as the leader in the technology replacing gas-guzzling engines.

The new assembly lines would quintuple CATL’s production capability and make it the world’s largest electric-vehicle battery cell manufacturer, ahead of Tesla, Warren Buffett-backed BYD Co. in China and South Korea’s LG Chem Ltd., according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance. The factory could go fully online as soon as 2020, an opportune time as China targets a sevenfold increase in new-energy vehicle sales by 2025 and ponders a course for phasing out fossil-fuel vehicles altogether.

“China, unabashedly, wants to be the Detroit of electric vehicles,” said Anthony Milewski, a managing director at Pala Investments Ltd., a Zug, Switzerland-based fund investing in the EV supply chain. “There is no question in my mind that they are going to lead the world in capacity and, eventually, in the technology.”

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China’s government likes to have national champions of industry: think Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. in e-commerce and Tencent Holdings Ltd. in social media. So far no carmakers are part of that conversation, although CATL is working its way in there by capitalizing on China’s push for cleaner air and fewer oil imports. The rising battery giant is, in no small part, a manifestation of China’s aggressive government support for electric vehicles.

China surpassed the U.S. in 2015 to become the world’s biggest market for electric cars. Sales of new-energy vehicles—including battery-powered, plug-in hybrid and fuel-cell vehicles—reached 777,000 units last year and could surpass 1 million this year, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers estimated.

In China, the source of 99 percent of CATL’s business, the company’s lithium-ion batteries will be inside locally made EVs from Volkswagen AG, BMW AG, and Hyundai Motor Co. Japan’s Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. are considering CATL batteries for planned China-made vehicles. Domestic companies using the batteries include BAIC Motor Corp., the biggest EV seller in China, and Zhengzhou Yutong Group Co., the world’s biggest bus maker.

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CATL is already in the midst of expanding overseas. Last year, it spent 30 million euros ($35 million then) to acquire 22 percent of Finland’s Valmet Automotive Oy, a contract manufacturer for Daimler AG’s Mercedes-Benz and supplier to Porsche AG and Volkswagen’s Lamborghini. CATL also added offices in Paris to existing facilities across Germany. The company has a partnership with BMW’s motorsport teams for races in Europe and Macau, splashing its blue logo across the carmaker’s M6 GT3.

Now CATL is making another leap. Job ads for positions in the Detroit area have appeared on LinkedIn, and the company said in an email it is meeting with several U.S. carmakers to discuss partnerships.

“Their intentions are very clear,” said Simon Moores, London-based managing director of battery sector consultant Benchmark Mineral Intelligence. “To not just be China’s biggest battery producer but the world’s largest.”

Ningde doesn’t look like a global foundry for the key technology inside the cars of the future. The isolated city is surrounded by mountains, with a long history of fishing and farming that has more recently made way for a few Starbucks and McDonald’s locations. President Xi Jinping apprenticed there as a Communist Party chief in the 1980s, when Ningde was the poorest city on China’s east coast.

Menahem Anderman, president of Total Battery Consulting Inc. in Petaluma, California, went to see CATL’s headquarters for himself in January and found a company in the process of becoming a world-class battery maker. “Technically they are a probably a tad behind the big three,” he said, citing Panasonic Corp., Samsung SDI Co. and LG Chem. “But considering how fast they have been moving, it’s reasonable to assume that in two to three years they’ll have a technically similar product.”

The new battery plant is set to rise on landfilled mudflats across a lake from CATL’s sprawling headquarters. The entire complex, all barely seven years old, is vast enough that it takes half an hour to walk from an office building on the northwest corner to a gate on the east side. Six electric shuttle buses, all powered by CATL batteries, trundle employees between dormitories, factories and research labs. For the 90-minute trip to the nearest airport in Fuzhou, employees can book free chauffeured rides in a Zinoro hybrid built by BMW’s joint venture and powered by CATL batteries.

Zeng Yuqun, the 49-year-old engineer who founded CATL, is often seen walking fast across the campus. He was born in a mountain village an hour away and sometimes organizes employee excursions to his birthplace. For most of his career, he worked on lithium-ion batteries for consumer electronics, including the iPhone, at Amperex Technology Co., or ATL, a subsidiary of Japan’s TDK Corp. that he helped found.

Zeng’s decision to start CATL in 2011, while he was president of ATL, marked a gamble on the direction of Chinese government policy. That year there were just 1,014 alternative-energy vehicles sold in China, according to Bloomberg Intelligence. He was essentially betting that the lithium-ion battery business for cars would flourish, creating a replica of ATL focused on a vehicle market that barely existed. (The two companies split in 2015, with ATL transferring its 15 percent stake in the new company to other investors; Zeng resigned from TDK and ATL last year.)

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Zeng’s prediction proved right: Xi’s administration now provides generous incentives for consumers buying non-gasoline vehicles. In 2016 and 2017, those subsidies may have totaled 83 billion yuan, according to an estimate from Cui Dongshu, secretary-general of the China Passenger Car Association.

Carmakers seeking to qualify choose domestic battery suppliers because of concerns that models built with foreign brands will be ineligible, even though there isn’t a written rule banning non-Chinese suppliers. “The premise is that locally produced cars in China are obligated to use local batteries,” Jochem Heizmann, chief executive of Volkswagen Group China, said in January.

Zeng, who declined to comment for this article, can be blunt about the electric-vehicle business. During a forum in China last year, he made it clear that he doesn’t see himself in competition with other battery supplies. “We are competing with gasoline cars,” he said. “If we can’t win against gasoline cars, there’s no place for us in the market.”

If CATL made itself into an emerging battery giant on the strength of Chinese policy, Zeng already appears worried about securing a future without that help. In April, he sent an internal email meant to motivate his employees. The title of his letter posed a question: “When the typhoon comes, can pigs really fly?”

Zeng proceeded to use an allegory to caution workers against complacency. “Is the pig really flying? What happened to the pig after the typhoon is gone?” he wrote, according to the company’s WeChat account. The pig is the company, the strong winds are government subsidies, and the danger is that favorable policies won’t always be there to provide uplift.

CATL reaps further benefits from an aggressive government policy to acquire the minerals needed for battery makers. China is securing supplies of key materials such as lithium, nickel and rare earths, and its mining companies are estimated to be responsible for 62 percent of the global supply of cobalt, the Cleveland-based Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis said in a January report.

The upcoming IPO should propel CATL to become the biggest lithium-ion battery cell maker in the world. The company previously forecast sales of as much as 100 billion yuan by 2020, a huge jump from 14.9 billion yuan in its last full-year earnings from 2016. The company’s ramp-up, in turn, will extend China’s grip on global battery production to about 70 percent of the market by 2021, up from 54 percent last year, according to BNEF.

That startling growth has some overseas origins. “Their technological background and procedures are quite good, partly because they have some history with a Japanese company,” said Mark Newman, a senior research analyst with Sanford C. Bernstein in Hong Kong.

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Last year, the German carmaker hosted a coming-out party for its plug-in hybrid model, the 60H, amid coconut trees on the resort island of Hainan. Johann Wieland, president of the Chinese joint venture, and Zeng stood side-by-side to pose for photos with the silver model.

“We have learned a lot from BMW, and now we have become one of the top battery manufacturers globally,” Zeng said at the event. “The high standards and demands from BMW have helped us to grow fast.”

Helping power the growth is a strong research-and-development effort, said Zhou Lei, a Tokyo-based partner covering the auto industry for Deloitte Tohmatsu Consulting. CATL has ties to institutes in Germany and State College, Pennsylvania, according to its website.

CATL spent 670 million yuan on research during the first half of last year, or about 11 percent of revenue, according to its prospectus. BYD, China’s largest maker of NEVs, spent 2.76 billion yuan, or 6 percent of revenue, according to the company.

Research-and-development staff comprise a fifth of CATL’s 18,000-plus workforce, and the company plans to use 4.2 billion yuan from the IPO to develop next-generation batteries, it said.

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The share sale, which suggests a valuation of about $20 billion, would potentially make CATL one of the biggest listed companies on China’s Nasdaq-style ChiNext board. That valuation would surpass carmakers Kia Motors Corp., Mazda Motor Corp. and some its Chinese customers. Rival BYD is valued at about $27 billion.

CATL may host a road show later this year. The underwriters include Goldman Sachs and CSC Financial Co.

When completed, the new 24 gigawatt-hour factory will catapult CATL to the top of the manufacturing capacity rankings. Currently, it has 17.5 gigawatt hours a year in capacity either in operation or about to come online. A gigawatt hour is the equivalent of 1 million kilowatt hours of electricity—about enough to power 1 million homes for an hour.

The factory will boost that total to 41.5 gigawatt hours, surpassing LG Chem’s production, BNEF said in a November report. By comparison, Tesla’s Gigafactory will have a capacity for 35 gigawatt hours.

“Their ambitions are 100 percent global, and I believe they are going to be global competitors,” said Milewski, who’s also chairman of Toronto-based Cobalt 27 Capital Corp. “You have the Chinese government behind them, and you have some of the smartest people in the world working there.”

— With assistance by Elisabeth Behrmann and Hannah Dormido.

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China is building a laser 10 trillion times more intense than the Sun that could tear space apart

China is building a mega-laser that's so powerful it could literally tear space apart.

Physicists in Shanghai are constructing what they call a 'Station of Extreme Light', which could be operational as soon as 2023.


The end goal is to create a
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so powerful it can produce 100-petawatt laser pulses –that's 100 million billion watts.

For context, that's 10,000 times the power of all the world's electrical grids combined.

These ludicrously powerful pulses could be targeted at incredible precise spots measuring just three micrometers across – that's 2000 times less than the thickness of a standard pencil.

This means the researchers could achieve a laser intensity 10 trillion trillion times greater than the sunlight striking earth.

According to the Science
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, this laser would be so powerful it "could rip apart empty space".

The idea is to achieve a phenomenon known as "breaking the vacuum", whereby electrons are torn away from positrons (their antimatter counterparts) in the
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Right now, it's possible to convert matter into huge amounts of heat and light, as proved by nuclear weapons. But reversing the process is more difficult – although Chinese physicist Ruxin Li believes his laser could manage it.

"That would be very exciting. It would mean you could generate something from nothing," he explained.

The team has already created a less powerful version called the Shanghai Superintense Ultrafast Laser, which is capable of a 5.3-petawatt pulse.

If the new laser eventually becomes operational, it could give scientists a new way to accelerate particles for advanced physics research.





Isn't this what US has been pursuing for decades (since 1980s) with their super mega laser at
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It's good to hear that China has brought more and more animals out of near extinction ... well done!
How China brought the crested ibis back from brink of extinction
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 27 January, 2018, 10:03am

Zhuang Pinghui

With red claws and face – plus a large, curved black beak and crest – the crested ibis is known as the beauty bird or fairy bird in China.

They have existed for nearly 60 million years and were widespread in China, the Korean peninsula, Japan and Russia until the 1960s when the widespread use of pesticides and fertilisers, plus a loss of habitat, drove the birds to near extinction.
At one point, the entire species around the world was thought to be down to the last six birds.

Yet today, some five decades later, the number of crested ibis in China has reached more than 2,600 at the last count, the Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua reported this month. The species is still endangered, but its revival is a conservation success story in China.

Back in the 1960s, things seemed hopeless.

The last crested ibis then spotted in the wild in China was recorded by an ornithologist in 1964.

The species had disappeared in Russia the previous year and there were thought to be none of the birds living in the wild in North Korea by 1975.

Faced with almost certain extinction, Japan put the last of its six wild crested ibises in captivity in 1981 as a last resort to save the species.

China’s key role in international fight to save one of rarest birds in the world from extinction

However, Liu Yinzeng, then a researcher at the Zoology Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, refused to accept what seemed to be the birds’ destiny.

At 42, he headed a team setting out on a mission in 1975 to search for crested ibis in the wild in China.

His team searched through mountainous areas in nine provinces over three years, showing slides and pictures to villagers for clues to the birds’ whereabouts, but to no avail.

On several occasions they found people who had seen crested ibis, but were always told the birds had been killed through hunting or the loss of habitat.

But in May 1981, a breakthrough came. The team finally found two adult crested ibis in Yang county in Shaanxi province.

The good news did not stop there. A week later, two other adult crested ibis with three chicks were found nesting in a tree at a farm in the same area, according to a series of articles published by Liu on the science academy’s website.

“The three chicks looked weak and in low spirits. Clearly their parents could not feed them well. We were worried whether these chicks would grow,” Liu wrote.

The birds had moved from lower areas where food was more abundant to more remote mountains at an altitude of 1,200 metres, making it a struggle for them to survive, said Liu.

Ten of Hong Kong’s most endangered species

Steps were taken to ensure the birds were not disturbed, with people stationed near the tree to prevent attacks by other animals. Farmers were also banned from using fertilisers and pesticide at the nearby farm for fear of poisoning the birds. A ban was also placed on shooting guns in case it scared the birds away.

Eventually, the two adults left the nest with the two strong chicks, with a weak one abandoned. Liu’s team rescued it and sent it to Beijing Zoo where it was safely reared. The chick grew and was sent to Japan in 1984, Liu said.

The area where the birds were initially found become site of the first crested ibis conservation station in China and 19 chicks were born from 1981 until 1990.

A breeding programme for the birds was later started in the ’90s and crested ibis began to nest in Zhejiang, Sichuan and Henan provinces, expanding the species’ habitat from just five square kilometres to 14,000 square kilometres across the country.
A file picture of visitors at a crested ibis preservation Centre in Japan. Photo: Associated Press
However, despite the huge strides in safeguarding numbers of the birds, a leading conservationist warns they are still vulnerable because of the risks of inbreeding.

Fang Shengguo, professor at the College of Life Sciences at Zhejiang University, told the South China Morning Post the species has shown signs of a high percentage born with defects due to the fact that the whole population can be traced back to the four adult crested ibises found three decades ago.

“Some were born with a deformity in the wings meaning they couldn’t fly. Some were born with cataracts. Some were born with problematic claws, meaning they couldn’t clinch and stand on trees,” said Fang. “It means they must sleep on the ground and the risk of attacks by other animals is much greater. All these are signs of population depression.”

About 10 per cent of the crested ibis born through the breeding programmer were born with obvious birth defects. “In spite of the increased numbers, the risk of extinction remains high for crested ibis,” he said.

To lower such risks, Fang said genetic management and selection was required so only genetically superior birds would reproduce in the wild.

“The whole population would be weak and could not adapt to the environment if they came from weak ancestors. Genetic management is needed for the species to stand a better chance and hopefully they will evolve stronger under the pressures of the wild,” Fang said.

Water scheme threatens Yangtze River porpoises with extinction, scientist warns

His team examines genetic data before breeding birds at the conservation centre in Deqing county in Zhejiang province and only selects those genetically suited for life in the wild.

The work has produced clear results.

Only two crested ibises have been born with birth defects from the 286 bred at the Zhejiang centre between 2008 and this year.

“Quantity is very important, but it’s the quality that matters most for endangered species,” said Fang.

crested ibis are among several animal species successfully saved from extinction though conservation efforts in China, including the giant panda, the Chinese alligator and the elk.
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The figure 240pf is a guess because the designer said it would be 200 times faster than Tianhe-1, which is 1.2pf. If he was rounding or referring to the current Tianhe-1A (2.6pf) that Tianhe-1 was updated to, they would both affect the 240 estimate by the author. However, I've also seen estimates of the American Summit supercomputer to be up to 300pf.
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China’s 240 petaflop supercomputer and 200+ petaflop US supercomputer will be competing in a few months
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The new supercomputer will be 200 times faster and have 100 times more storage capacity than the Tianhe-1 supercomputer, China’s first petaflop supercomputer launched in 2010, Zhang said.

Phytium FT2000/64 ARM chip that is expected to power the new 240 petaflop supercomputer

The supercomputer center in Tianjin began developing the exascale supercomputer with the National University of Defense Technology in 2016.

According to the national plan for the next generation of high-performance computers, China will develop an exascale computer during the 13th Five-Year-Plan period (2016-2020).

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Tianhe-1 supercomputer

If Zhang’s 200X performance multiplier is accurate, the new supercomputer he’s referring to will deliver 240 peak petaflops, making it the most powerful high-performance computing system in China, and possibly the entire world. The current champ on the TOP500 list is Sunway TaihuLight, another Chinese supercomputer. That system delivers 125.4 peak petaflops and achieved its number one spot on the list with a High-Performance Linpack (HPL) run of 93.0 petaflops.

Summit, a supercomputer currently being built at Oak Ridge National Lab, is expected to provide over 200 peak petaflops when it comes online this spring. That “over 200 petaflops” could easily reach to 240 petaflops or even higher. Up until now, it looked like Summit had a lock on the number one spot for the June TOP500 list. But if Summit’s Chinese counterpart manages to exceed it in peak flops and gets a decent HPL run, America’s hopes for the TOP500 crown will be foiled once again.

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Summit Supercomputer

The new chinese supercomputer could be the Tianhe-2A supercomputer which is the long-overdue follow-up to Tianhe-1A. It was supposed to be deployed in 2017, when it was being characterized as a 100-petaflop machine. It’s conceivable that the Chinese decided that rather than building another system with a similar performance to TaihuLight, they would take some additional effort and time to come up with a Summit-beater in 2018.

The Tianhe-2A is expected to be powered by a combo of Phytium FT2000/64 ARM chips and Matrix2000 GPDSP accelerators. Assuming they keep those processors in place at their current rated performance (0.5 teraflops and 2.4 teraflops, respectively), they will have to more than double the node count to achieve 240 petaflops. That works out to about 43,000 nodes, which is lot, but certainly not unreasonable for such a machine. (Aurora, the first exascale machine in the US is supposedly going to have 50,000 nodes.)
 
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It's good to hear that China has brought more and more animals out of near extinction ... well done!

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yes indeed. But I feel very sad that "白鱀豚" has gone functional extinct in our hand. The individuals in the wild haven't been spotted for decades, even if there are some, their number is believe too small to continue the species. Very sad. China need to do more and harder to protect our environment.
 

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The figure 240pf is a guess because the designer said it would be 200 times faster than Tianhe-1, which is 1.2pf. If he was rounding or referring to the current Tianhe-1A (2.6pf) that Tianhe-1 was updated to, they would both affect the 240 estimate by the author. However, I've also seen estimates of the American Summit supercomputer to be up to 300pf.

There are 2 Tianhe-1As but, no Tianhe-1, in the Top 500 list. One of the Tianhe-1A has a peak speed of 1.34 Petaflop, the other 4.7 Petaflop.
 

manqiangrexue

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There are 2 Tianhe-1As but, no Tianhe-1, in the Top 500 list. One of the Tianhe-1A has a peak speed of 1.34 Petaflop, the other 4.7 Petaflop.
Are you sure there are 2?? I'd think that one was the latter upgraded one of other; how could they have 2 independent systems both named Tianhe-1A? Anyway, the one I was referring to is the more powerful one, but I gave the Rmax (2.6pf) and you gave the Rpeak(4.7). Given that, I'd think that it's not going to be the 4.7pf version because that would put 200 fold at 940pf which is basically a full exascale design instead of a downsized prototype.

In any case, Summit has been vaunted by the US as such a marvel that it would finally return the super-computing crown to the US and Aurora (US exascale) is so far away that if Summit cannot retake the title from even a Chinese downsized prototype, I would consider the US "lapped" in its race against China.
 
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