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tacoburger

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Unless they have convicted him not for the gene editing, but (unofficially) for disclosing it...
90% that's what happened. There's no way he's just got out of prison, managed to set up three laboratories in the year since he was released and is back doing gene editing research if someone high up didn't approve of it. He would be lucky to find work in the biomedical field as a cleaner otherwise.
What your thoughts? We should try to cure kids with horrible genetic diseases with technology similar to this? We should let them live a miserable life? Or We should kill them?
It's obvious that curing genetic diseases is a net benefit, everyone can agree on that. The issue is the slippery slope to enhancing looks, intelligence etc. Which I think is still good, but could lead to some nightmare scenarios if not done properly.
But in other to "secrets labs" to be profitable they would have do some publicity. Logic thinking, crazy thing,
Research projects don't need to be profitable.
 

tacoburger

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Who is funding the "secret labs"? who is putting hundred of millions in a research that they will no be able to commercialize?
You can ask He Jiankui, he managed to get the funding to gene edit 3 children before he got arrested. He clearly got the money from somewhere, even if he had to lie to do it.

And pls, people do crazy things for their children. This was this story of a chinese billionaire who had something like 50 kids for some reason. I can easily see a billionaire funding the research for the sole purpose of having some really really successful kids to carry on the family name even if it burned money without any return on investment. Not to mention that it's this kind of gene research that may be able to do unlock potential treatments like extending your lifespan, growing yourself a bigger dick and regrowing your hair, I can see plenty of rich people pouring in money into a black hole just for a 0.01% chance of unlocking longevity treatments for themselves alone.
 

tokenanalyst

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You can ask He Jiankui, he managed to get the funding to gene edit 3 children before he got arrested. He clearly got the money from somewhere, even if he had to lie to do it.
If a billionaire wants to throw money to secretly do a race of super babies, Ok, that could happen, but I don't think is possible comerzilize editing babies for vanity reason without people noticing.
And pls, people do crazy things for their children. This was this story of a chinese billionaire who had something like 50 kids for some reason. I can easily see a billionaire funding the research for the sole purpose of having some really really successful kids to carry on the family name even if it burned money without any return on investment.
Could be, but I am pretty sure that just by the fact of born a billionaire you are already born successful, we someone want to risk a genetic disaster for a bit more of success, is up to them to risk it because genes manage more than one body trait, the gene that control height could also be the one associated with your liver health.
Not to mention that it's this kind of gene research that may be able to do unlock potential treatments like extending your lifespan, growing yourself a bigger dick and regrowing your hair, I can see plenty of rich people pouring in money into a black hole just for a 0.01% chance of unlocking longevity treatments for themselves alone.
I am not a medicine expert but I think you can achieve all of that stuff without any kind of gene editing, with surgery and so on, with proven stuff if you have the money.
Again if someone want to risk some genetic disaster for a bit more height, be my guess, Again is not that easy because genes control more than one function.
So be careful wanting your Wolverine claws genes, remember paying for the super healing genes too.

 

tacoburger

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Ok, that could happen, but I don't think is possible comerzilize editing babies for vanity reason without people noticing.
It's not gonna to be easy to tell what research for gene editing to cure diseases and gene editing for better traits. Again, He Jiankui managed to do so in secret, and who knows how much he could have gotten away with if he hadn't held a press conference.
So be careful wanting your Wolverine claws genes, remember paying for the super healing genes too.
we someone want to risk a genetic disaster for a bit more of success, is up to them to risk it because genes manage more than one body function, the gene that control height could also be the one associated with your liver health.
That's why it's called a research project. Also, by this logic, nobody should ever have children. There's this thing called random mutation, that happens everytime someone gets pregnant, you are always flipping a coin when having a kid. Oh and there's also the chance that the genes from different parents don't match up well. That's how genetic diseases and deformities develop, even in families that never had history of genetic issues.
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Genomes are copied with a very low error rate when they are passed from one generation to the next. Nevertheless, as the human genome contains three billion letters, random mutations in the sperm and the egg are inevitable and pass from the parent to the child. This means that typically every child has around 60 to 70 new mutations that their biological parents don’t have. These mutations are responsible for genetic variation along with many genetic diseases. Around 75 per cent of these random mutations come from the father.
 

tokenanalyst

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You can ask He Jiankui, he managed to get the funding to gene edit 3 children before he got arrested. He clearly got the money from somewhere, even if he had to lie to do it.

And pls, people do crazy things for their children. This was this story of a chinese billionaire who had something like 50 kids for some reason. I can easily see a billionaire funding the research for the sole purpose of having some really really successful kids to carry on the family name even if it burned money without any return on investment. Not to mention that it's this kind of gene research that may be able to do unlock potential treatments like extending your lifespan, growing yourself a bigger dick and regrowing your hair, I can see plenty of rich people pouring in money into a black hole just for a 0.01% chance of unlocking longevity treatments for themselves alone.
I fact it could be that for complex traits like intelligence or height the gene interaction is just too complex to be edited with this technology because there is probably a hundred of genes involved in a complex trait as intelligence.

Just to get an get an specific skin color there is like many genes involved, how do a scientist change many genes that have to interact with other genes without wrecking your body? I don't know.

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You may insert a single gene that may give you or not an unexpected boost in some trait similar of what you get by using steroids for example but you will not become an elite scientist or an elite bodybuilder or Michael Jordan, these people are sum of all their genes not just one. forget it, for now, is just a dream. for now this tech will be used to cure single genes catastrophic diseases.

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tokenanalyst

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It's not gonna to be easy to tell what research for gene editing to cure diseases and gene editing for better traits. Again, He Jiankui managed to do so in secret, and who knows how much he could have gotten away with if he hadn't held a press conference.


That's why it's called a research project. Also, by this logic, nobody should ever have children. There's this thing called random mutation, that happens everytime someone gets pregnant, you are always flipping a coin when having a kid. Oh and there's also the chance that the genes from different parents don't match up well. That's how genetic diseases and deformities develop, even in families that never had history of genetic issues.
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Well for start most people live their lives with understanding a complex science like genetics. But one thing is to randomly having a child and another thing is signing a legal document that says:

"Genes are complex and have more than one function, we will NOT be responsible for any genetic unexpected consequences of our genetic editing procedure. By signing this document our company is discharged of ANY legal responsibility caused by ANY genetic consequence, small or catastrophic, that could happen to your children because our procedure"

There is a difference. Basically like going to the titanic in a plastic can.

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ZeEa5KPul

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Thoughts on gene edited babies? Also what is the likelyhood of there being secret human gene editing experiments going on in China right now?
Not only do I fully support (no phul sapport saar jokes) germline editing in humans as a matter of principle, I support creating human embryos with 100% synthetic genomes. The former is edited, the latter is designed from the ground up which would allows for traits that have no natural analogue.

Having said that, now isn't the time for it and it will be decades before the technology is ready. Doing germline editing in humans now just damages one's reputation for very little gain.
 

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China has plenty of data to train AI. In 2023, China generated 32 billion terabytes of data, about 25% of the data generated by the whole world.

Xinhua News | China generates over 32 zettabytes of data in 2023​

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World Tour of Data in 2023–120 Zettabytes and Counting!​

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