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horse

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That executive summary, did not read the whole report yet, but that executive summary hits the nail right on its head.

However, that executive summary, is still dense material.

People who read it, won't understand it, which means they won't understand the report either, if they read that. LOL.

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Here's my attempt to explain the executive summary.

Imagine a network, your network of friends.

Why do we have a network of friends, so we have some opportunity, to socialize, to get something such as hockey game tickets, to do business or whatever.

The network, is opportunity.

The bigger the network, the more opportunity there is.

However, there are still conditions or limits. Suppose one friend on the network has an extra hockey ticket to the game, the first one to grab it, grabs it. But we got to be part of the network to do so, otherwise there is not a chance. If we are part of the network, if another friend got that ticket this time, then they probably owe us the courtesy when the next ticket comes along. The point is the same, being part of the network provides opportunity, and from hard work or circumstances you can be first in line.

That is what Huawei 5G fight against the US government was all about.

It was about building this network, and reaping opportunity from it.

The key point is, to build that damn 5G standalone network.

Since the US government was behind in this fight, they adopted two strategies.

ONE is to destroy or degrade Huawei capabilities from building the network.

TWO is to retain as many friends as possible so when their network is up and running, the United States will have many more friends on their network, because the bigger the network, the more opportunities.


Huawei has not been destroyed, Huawei is strong as ever and expanding. Only the phones took a hit, which will only be a temporary phenomenon.

Now with Huawei building this 5G network in countries in ASEAN, in Africa, in South America, in the Middle East, and even in Europe, this presents a real problem for the United States.

This Chinese network is gigantic and they built it first, meaning they will have a head start to commercialize any new ideas. The United States does not have one yet, they are barely on the new ideas stage.

Therefore, the Chinese, along with those nations who worked with Huawei, they all get to leverage the opportunity this network allows. While the United States sits and waits, thinking what it can do.

Since the United States wants nothing to do with Huawei, they shut themselves out of this network. They closed the door to their own opportunities, because they thought they could do it better themselves.

This 5G network, will bring things closer together, such as finance, such as factories (supply chains), such as people (TicTok selling goods on their channel).

Imagine the internet on super steroids. That is the hype of 5G, and that seems to be true.

That executive summary, talks about Australia, not being part of this network. It gives a couple of suggestions how that can be remedied.

While they do that, China and those who bought Huawei 5G gear to connect to the network, will race ahead, and reap the opportunity that the network gives.

:p
 

horse

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In other words, technology promotes efficiency, which is the ultimate driver of long term economic growth.

Unless we are really into it, people will generally not understand that statement above, but it is all true.

Enough rants for today!

[rants][/rant]

:D :oops:
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
That executive summary, did not read the whole report yet, but that executive summary hits the nail right on its head.

However, that executive summary, is still dense material.

People who read it, won't understand it, which means they won't understand the report either, if they read that. LOL.

-------------------------------------------------------

Here's my attempt to explain the executive summary.

Imagine a network, your network of friends.

Why do we have a network of friends, so we have some opportunity, to socialize, to get something such as hockey game tickets, to do business or whatever.

The network, is opportunity.

The bigger the network, the more opportunity there is.

However, there are still conditions or limits. Suppose one friend on the network has an extra hockey ticket to the game, the first one to grab it, grabs it. But we got to be part of the network to do so, otherwise there is not a chance. If we are part of the network, if another friend got that ticket this time, then they probably owe us the courtesy when the next ticket comes along. The point is the same, being part of the network provides opportunity, and from hard work or circumstances you can be first in line.

That is what Huawei 5G fight against the US government was all about.

It was about building this network, and reaping opportunity from it.

The key point is, to build that damn 5G standalone network.

Since the US government was behind in this fight, they adopted two strategies.

ONE is to destroy or degrade Huawei capabilities from building the network.

TWO is to retain as many friends as possible so when their network is up and running, the United States will have many more friends on their network, because the bigger the network, the more opportunities.


Huawei has not been destroyed, Huawei is strong as ever and expanding. Only the phones took a hit, which will only be a temporary phenomenon.

Now with Huawei building this 5G network in countries in ASEAN, in Africa, in South America, in the Middle East, and even in Europe, this presents a real problem for the United States.

This Chinese network is gigantic and they built it first, meaning they will have a head start to commercialize any new ideas. The United States does not have one yet, they are barely on the new ideas stage.

Therefore, the Chinese, along with those nations who worked with Huawei, they all get to leverage the opportunity this network allows. While the United States sits and waits, thinking what it can do.

Since the United States wants nothing to do with Huawei, they shut themselves out of this network. They closed the door to their own opportunities, because they thought they could do it better themselves.

This 5G network, will bring things closer together, such as finance, such as factories (supply chains), such as people (TicTok selling goods on their channel).

Imagine the internet on super steroids. That is the hype of 5G, and that seems to be true.

That executive summary, talks about Australia, not being part of this network. It gives a couple of suggestions how that can be remedied.

While they do that, China and those who bought Huawei 5G gear to connect to the network, will race ahead, and reap the opportunity that the network gives.

:p

I don't understand. Please educate me/us .. so what 5G technology that already deployed in the USA, Australia, etc that banned Huawei? Are they very inferior to Huawei? ... how come? .. how about newest Qualcomm SOC and other that have 5G ?
 

horse

Major
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I don't understand. Please educate me/us .. so what 5G technology that already deployed in the USA, Australia, etc that banned Huawei? Are they very inferior to Huawei? ... how come? .. how about newest Qualcomm SOC and other that have 5G ?

5G uses radio waves. Radio waves have a frequency.

The mmWave or millimeter wave is what is predominant in America. Other places I do not know.

Ericsson sells the antenna for that.

The problem with mmWave is that although it is very fast, the signal does not travel very far. Therefore, one needs more antenna for that. The mmWave will only be deployed in cities.

The other frequency that will be prominent is the sub6-Ghz. This frequency is not as fast, but still a lot faster than 4G, more importantly it has range. That signal will travel far. This frequency will make autonomous driving possible with the car communicating with the network and each all at once.

My understanding of it, Ericsson does not sell this antenna or their version is not as good as this type of Huawei antenna. Apparently the Huawei antenna will require only one to handle all the frequency spectrums for 5G.

Simply put, Huawei has a better product, that antenna and base station.

That is why the Americans went after that Huawei base station, it had a 7nm chip inside it.


The other unique point, is the build out for 5G networks, for true 5G of low latency and speed, (low latency means the signal does not drop, and speed means speed), that the entire network must be 5G capable.

It will cost a lot of money to build that network.

What the telecom companies decided, I assume, to save on cost, they will build the 5G standalone network in stages.

First they will build the 5G antenna connected the 4G network. Then over time replace the internal 4G network of routers, switches and cables.

For a true 5G network, or the 5G standalone network, they need the antenna, and the cables, and maybe some other gear. Not sure. I am not an expert. The 4G cable does not have the low latency nor speed. That has to be replaced.

A couple of points about this standalone 5G network, and that is China has built them for like half the country now. Not sure if anyone else has built them at any scale. Maybe the Koreans. The cabling for the 5G networks, Huawei owns the patents for the noise reduction, in the other words, Huawei intellectual property makes 5G possible.


Therefore, if someone does not use Huawei for 5G, they are restricted to mmWave deployments at the moment. When will Ericsson be able to sell that gear for the sub6-Ghz frequency is hard to say. Before they said Hauwei was 6 months ahead, then that became a year ahead, then that became 18 months ahead, now they never mention it anywhere.

Also, after the antenna is installed, the other work of replacing the 4G gear with 5G gear inside the core of the network must start. This will take a while. For whatever reasons, China did it as fast as they could, to build that standalone 5G network.


One final note, is that with 5G standalone network, a lot computing will not be centralized, it will still to the cloud, but there are clouds everywhere now. In other words, they call that the edge computing. Okay, this is getting kind of technical, but guess who sells the best cloud computing racks! Yes, two Chinese companies Huawei and Inspur.

Hope that makes some things clearer.

That is why the Americans are so butt hurt about this 5G thingy.
 

ansy1968

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5G uses radio waves. Radio waves have a frequency.

The mmWave or millimeter wave is what is predominant in America. Other places I do not know.

Ericsson sells the antenna for that.

The problem with mmWave is that although it is very fast, the signal does not travel very far. Therefore, one needs more antenna for that. The mmWave will only be deployed in cities.

The other frequency that will be prominent is the sub6-Ghz. This frequency is not as fast, but still a lot faster than 4G, more importantly it has range. That signal will travel far. This frequency will make autonomous driving possible with the car communicating with the network and each all at once.

My understanding of it, Ericsson does not sell this antenna or their version is not as good as this type of Huawei antenna. Apparently the Huawei antenna will require only one to handle all the frequency spectrums for 5G.

Simply put, Huawei has a better product, that antenna and base station.

That is why the Americans went after that Huawei base station, it had a 7nm chip inside it.


The other unique point, is the build out for 5G networks, for true 5G of low latency and speed, (low latency means the signal does not drop, and speed means speed), that the entire network must be 5G capable.

It will cost a lot of money to build that network.

What the telecom companies decided, I assume, to save on cost, they will build the 5G standalone network in stages.

First they will build the 5G antenna connected the 4G network. Then over time replace the internal 4G network of routers, switches and cables.

For a true 5G network, or the 5G standalone network, they need the antenna, and the cables, and maybe some other gear. Not sure. I am not an expert. The 4G cable does not have the low latency nor speed. That has to be replaced.

A couple of points about this standalone 5G network, and that is China has built them for like half the country now. Not sure if anyone else has built them at any scale. Maybe the Koreans. The cabling for the 5G networks, Huawei owns the patents for the noise reduction, in the other words, Huawei intellectual property makes 5G possible.


Therefore, if someone does not use Huawei for 5G, they are restricted to mmWave deployments at the moment. When will Ericsson be able to sell that gear for the sub6-Ghz frequency is hard to say. Before they said Hauwei was 6 months ahead, then that became a year ahead, then that became 18 months ahead, now they never mention it anywhere.

Also, after the antenna is installed, the other work of replacing the 4G gear with 5G gear inside the core of the network must start. This will take a while. For whatever reasons, China did it as fast as they could, to build that standalone 5G network.


One final note, is that with 5G standalone network, a lot computing will not be centralized, it will still to the cloud, but there are clouds everywhere now. In other words, they call that the edge computing. Okay, this is getting kind of technical, but guess who sells the best cloud computing racks! Yes, two Chinese companies Huawei and Inspur.

Hope that makes some things clearer.

That is why the Americans are so butt hurt about this 5G thingy.
@horse Great! a nice summation, bro you're being humble , I think your previous job is working at Huawei Canada office. ;)
 

2handedswordsman

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I don't understand. Please educate me/us .. so what 5G technology that already deployed in the USA, Australia, etc that banned Huawei? Are they very inferior to Huawei? ... how come? .. how about newest Qualcomm SOC and other that have 5G ?
They lack of serious appliances
 

horse

Major
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Why is low latency important?

Suppose you are watching Youtube, and it stalls and starts to buffer or something like that. The video stops then returns.

In other words, the signal dropped, and the video stall.

That is the point about low latency, smooth video watching on Youtube.

Also, they can do remote brain surgery with a true standalone low latency 5G network.

The brain surgeon is here, the patient is being operated over there (they already did this with a pig, and the operation was a success, no pork chop tonight).

Imagine if the signal drops or is choppy like a Youtube video. How the heck will the surgeon know where he put that knife?

Guess that means pork chop tonight.

:oops::confused::)
 
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