New Type98/99 MBT thread


berserk

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Yes rajeet the VT4 absolutely still uses the vintage original 682 composite arrays please make procurement decisions based on that thank you ;)
rajeet who? look like you confused me with you sister boyfriend. happens LOL! as for VT 4 we have already oder more T 90S and are upgrading T 72 which is enough to deal with this tin can lmao!
 

berserk

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Blah blah blah blah keep talking lmao your malnourished brain might not realize it but everyone here can smell the cope in your posts

Bragging about imported ammo hahaha because your domestic rounds are impotent

Its frankly pathetic o_O
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This is mk 1 ammo d**b a** , subsequent mk 2 and it's upgraded variant had already crossed 500mm RHA long time back.
 

Mohsin77

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You like chinese fanboys here have given no evidence on your own but only opinion

How is it "my" opinion when I simply took the figures other members (including you) gave? Even you said a couple of pages ago the VT-4 probably matches the 90S armor. You also confirmed India doesn't even have the Svinets-2. And then you mentioned some hypothetical sabot that your army doesn't even have yet (and probably won't for 5-10 years.) You also made other random claims that you refused to defend, e.g. "superior FCS."

Also, stop with these strawman fallacies. No one here is claiming the VT-4 is better than the T-90MS. I never said that either. The general consensus here is that they are both comparable MBTs overall, which means victory will go to the side with better tactics and intel. If you don't want to accept this, by all means, keep going berserk like a lunatic, it's fun to watch someone totally losing their sh*t.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Yes rajeet the VT4 absolutely still uses the vintage original 682 composite arrays please make procurement decisions based on that thank you ;)
Don't be too hard on him, he literally knows no better. The core of his misunderstanding is that he believes because China and India are both called "developing countries" that they're anything alike. Since India couldn't in its wildest dreams design and build a tank of the calibre of the VT-4, that must mean the VT-4 isn't real because China and India are both "developing."

His entire worldview is based on a misclassification.
 

alanch90

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Odd are hardly in it's favour and FY-4 ERA is not in a league of Relikt or duplet, it has comparable performance to kontakt 5 at best.

You wrote a lot of gibberish nothing more. Typical Chinese fanboy. VT 4 protection level is pathetic and is comparable to upgrade T 72( and i being generous here once more ). ammo is pathetic with 600mm DOP. FCS is also pathetic. china stonk is good for this forum and it's fanboys only lol.

Svinets 1 & 2 require bigger autoloader but can use same gun which will give less DOP though. For e.g svinets 2 with current T 90S gun has 600mm DOP but 660mm with upgraded gun due to higher muzzle velocity.

You should be a little bit more respectful to other people in a forum, otherwise you only undermine your own position and credibility. That's the only advice i will give. And no, i'm not Chinese, not even Asian nor European. I don't have a particular "national agenda" here and if you had read my comment with some attention, you should have noticed that i like T-90MS more than VT-4 overall. But you were too busy behaving like an uneducated 13 year old. Many of you claims are still left without any kind of evidence or even attempt at demonstration (like your claims about the base armor of VT-4). But alas, i shall clarify some of you misconceptions:

- No, Svinets series don´t benefit from the increased characteristics of the 2A82 (which as of now is not mounted on any russian tank nor is planned to except for T-14), they are optimized to be compatible with the 2A46. They are good rounds on their own, on par with the current standard, only to be out performed by the next gen of APFSDS, M829A4, DM73, the future "Vacuum" and so on.

- No, FY-IV is certainly not "Kontakt 5". K5 was already copied in the form of FY-II years ago. FY-IV is an indigenous chinese development. It is described in a chinese service manual as being equivalent to 180mm of RHA vs APFSDS (manual says "30 percent of reduction of APFSDS capable of penetrating 600mm"), in addition of being effective against tandem HEAT warheads. In comparison, Kontakt 5 is equal to 120mm of RHA vs APFSDS (Nii Stali official material says "additional 20 percent of effectiveness of tanks such as T-72B and T-90" both tanks can be represented as 600mm of steel armor equivalent), and on the other hand Kontakt 5 is not effective at all against tandem HEAT. Relikt on the other hand is equal to 240mm of RHA vs APFSDS and is effective vs tandem HEAT.
 

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