New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

Overbom

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Seems that most competitors, dealers, AND the government itself don't want another price war. BYD seems to be the culprit -again- in this latest round.

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Business is cutthroat, government should stay out of it. And especially not direct state subsidies or state investments in this industry any more. Let the private sector figure it out
 

Michael90

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Seems that most competitors, dealers, AND the government itself don't want another price war. BYD seems to be the culprit -again- in this latest round.

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To be honest, I don't even know what to think anymore. I do know that low prices will help consolidate the car industry in china which is so badly needed giving the large amount of car players in the industry and inefficiencies its creates. At the same time I'm not sure how low the price war has to go, since if it gets too low to the point where even the most competitive car companies start taking a hit on their profit margin and capital then it might affect them as well instead of wiping out just the uncompetitive car companies.. So a balance is needed. Maybe the prices we have now is okay, since many smaller players are already being affected and closing down while other bigger uncompetitive players are already struggling and losing market share rapidly. So I think there shouldn't be anymore price cuts, else it might jeopardise the industry which is what the government seem to be worried about.
 

Dante80

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Let the private sector figure it out
I don't think that would cut it as far as the CPC is concerned.
After all, one of the best things about the PRC is the fact that it generally doesn't leave the fucking capitalist ghouls to "figure it out". In socialism the interests of society trump (and should trump) those of private business.

While that is a general observation, Micheal90's comment about the need for efficiency and consolidation in the automotive industry is also prescient.
Which means, I think a balance has to be struck, and this means NOT a full blown price war again. At least that is my personal take on this at this juncture. There is a reason literally everyone is jumping at BYD right now.
 
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4Runner

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Business is cutthroat, government should stay out of it. And especially not direct state subsidies or state investments in this industry any more. Let the private sector figure it out
That is not going to happen and that should not be happening in China. Historically lucrative Chinese business tends to evolve into destructive local warfare. Just look at a recent example of Alibaba vs Tencent before government intervention. In fact, the Chinese industrial backbones are mostly state-owned giants plus state-owned research institutes and universities. "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics" is very different from "Capitalism with American characteristics". The Chinese public would not allow billionaires or oligarchs or warlords to ride on top of their heads and shoulders again.
 

Michael90

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That is not going to happen and that should not be happening in China. Historically lucrative Chinese business tends to evolve into destructive local warfare. Just look at a recent example of Alibaba vs Tencent before government intervention. In fact, the Chinese industrial backbones are mostly state-owned giants plus state-owned research institutes and universities. "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics" is very different from "Capitalism with American characteristics". The Chinese public would not allow billionaires or oligarchs or warlords to ride on top of their heads and shoulders again.
Maybe Chinese government should just take majority stakes in all major private Chinese companies, so they can have better control over them. Think that will be the best way to avoid what you mention about private companies CEOs becoming too big/powerful.
 

Wrought

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"But at what cost" strikes again.

In 2024, 17 million battery and plug-in hybrid cars were sold worldwide, 11 million of those in China. Chinese brands, meanwhile, had 10% of global EV and plug-in hybrid sales outside their home country, according to the consultancy Rho Motion. That figure is only expected to grow.

For consumers, it should be good news – leading to more high-quality and affordable electric cars becoming available. But with rivalry between Beijing and western powers showing no sign of subsiding, some experts are concerned Chinese vehicles could represent a security risk from hackers and third parties. And for established players in Europe, it represents a formidable challenge to their historic dominance.

"[China has] a huge cost advantage through economies of scale and battery technology. European manufacturers have fallen well behind," warns Mr Bailey. "Unless they wake up very quickly and catch up, they could be wiped out."

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qrex

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April sales of Chinese vehicles (and Tesla) in Australia:

April 2025
GWM: 3874 sales, #7, up 16%
BYD: 3207 sales, #10, up 127%
MG: 3103 sales, #11, down 18%
Chery: 2287 sales, #14, up 291%
LDV: 1045 sales, #20, down 11%
Tesla: 500 sales, #23, down 76%
Geely: 324 sales, #29, new
JAC: 125 sales, #37, new
Zeekr: 58 sales, #41, new
Leapmotor: 56 sales, #42, new

2025 YTD
GWM: 15453 sales, #7, up 14%
MG: 14508 sales, #8, down 11%
BYD: 11974 sales, #12, up 103%
Chery: 8344 sales, #14, up 234%
Tesla: 5660 sales, #17, down 62%
LDV: 4606 sales, #20, down 20%
JAC: 650 sales, #35, new
Geely: 512 sales, #38, new
Zeekr: 269 sales, #41, new
Leapmotor: 194 sales, #43, new

Not reporting: Deepal, Xpeng.

BYD made the Top 10 for a second month despite expected steep declines in Shark (1293 sales, down 54% from March) and Sealion 6 (275 sales, down 65% from March) after buyers rushed to meet the April 1st deadline for expiry of PHEV tax benefit. Shark 6 was still the #4 ute in April, behind HiLux, Ranger and Isuzu D-Max, and ahead of established second-tier stalwarts like Mitsubishi Triton, Mazda BT-50, Nissan Navara, and all other Chinese utes (and the American "full-size" utes, though the significant RHD conversion costs attached to those vehicles really puts them in a different category, competing more with LandCruiser than HiLux). If Shark can maintain ~1000 vehicles per month going forward, I think that would be a strong showing for a still nascent brand entering an entirely new segment with unique drivetrain proposition. The introduction of Sealion 7 has gone somewhat under the radar as all the focus has been on Shark 6, but it was BYD's #2 vehicle in April with 743 sales, outselling Tesla Model Y and Model 3 combined.

The two SAIC brands MG and LDV have been in sustained decline for a while now, though I think for different reasons. MG has swapped out older models for newer, more refined models at higher price points. While the value proposition has been retained, that shift nonetheless makes a difference at the most price-conscious parts of the spectrum in which MG has traditionally competed. Perhaps more impactful is that Chery has arrived to offer strong competition in many of the same market segments, led by the new Tiggo 4 Pro.

To put some of these figures in context, the Australian vehicle market is currently down 4% YTD. BYD and Chery are sandwiched either side of Volkswagen (9275 sales YTD, #13, down 21%) which was a Top 10 brand here only a few years ago (peaked at #7 IIRC). Early signs aren't amazing for the latest crop of debutant brands, but Xpeng has
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it will be rolling out its own public chargers here, which is a sign of commitment. At the end of the day, Australia is still a conservative, low-electrification market (EV+PHEV is still <10% I believe) and I think there is a limit as to how many Chinese brands will find a long-term home here. Tesla is clearly a raging dumpster fire, but I think we should wait to see the first couple months of updated Model Y sales before dancing too hard on its grave.
Any update for May?
 

supercat

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You need to update your understanding of Hongqi. They do have luxury electric vehicles.

The new Hongqi HS9 PHEV looks good.

Most of us probably already know this.

Tesla’s self-driving future under threat from China's auto, tech giants​

  • Key assisted driving equipment costs 20-40% lower in China: study
  • BYD, others offer advanced driver-assistance as standard feature
  • Tesla charges 64,000 yuan (nearly $9,000) for FSD in China
  • BYD's scale seen as advantage in 'training' assisted driving system
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Geely is doing well recently.

The Chery Qq Domi is cute and starts at approx. $8,3000.
 
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