New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China


BlackWindMnt

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Compared to fossil fuels it would actually occupy a bit more space, but weigh less as the poster above pointed out. Overall I don't think it'll factor significantly into the calculus. Commercially its main advantage would be environmental friendliness, and militarily it would be more efficient conversion into electrical power.
I think militaries will just continue keeping using fossil fuel for the next 3~4 decades.
 

supersnoop

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You don't necessarily need an ICE power train for a series PHEV which can use a small ICE engine running at full efficiency all the time as a generator and without any mechanical connection to the wheels.

This takes advantage of the literal 10x higher energy density of chemical fuel over batteries for long trips while still allowing for a large battery for short cruises and reduced maintenance costs due to lower drivetrain complexity.
I think both Li and Volt has simple gearing to connect ICE to the the wheels only at highway speeds. I believe it's an option to maximize the battery life.

Most the the PHEV right now are dual powertrain, ICE to one axle, Electric to the other. Easy to implement, but not so great for cost
I think militaries will just continue keeping using fossil fuel for the next 3~4 decades.
If I recall correctly there was a report of an experimental IFV with a hybrid powertrain in China. Considering the newly build FOBs all have Solar power, could help reduce strain on day to day logistics.
 

getready

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BYD isn't partnering with Toyota. It is Toyota who is partnering with BYD. It seems to be just a rebadged BYD vehicle.
As for why BYD does it, well it depends on a company's business model. BYD, similar to Samsung, seems to operate its business divisions in a competitive fashion. Perhaps having that Toyota badge will help them move more hardware. They probably see it as a low effort job with nearly guaranteed income. This is similar to, say, Samsung doing a Google Pixel phone.
OK thanks.


Iguess it makes sense to cooperate in this instance and see how it benefits BYD. The Toyota name may help move sales in countries like Australia where they hold a mass ve reputation
 

getready

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BYD could say no. And try to sell its own car, under its own badge. But compared to toyota, is has almost zero footprint in Europe any many overseas markets. Trying to built an ecosystem for distribution on such a world scale and support takes at least a decade if not two. Getting new users to accept new brands is not easy. It'd take time even if there was no stigma attached to chinese products. And the political situation today is such that some level of stigma is still there. Perhaps not so much quality wise anymore, but definitely on the government level.

So... imagine then relying on Toyota's network for distribution, support, on toyota's brand relationship with its customers and the relationship toyota has with governments around the world. If BYD can get just a few percent of earnings over the cost it sells each such car system to toyota - that's potentially millions of such car systems per year. Within a very short timespan.

All the while BYD can still work on its own car distribution if it so desires. But income generation wise, this kind of a move can mean BYD earns much much more than any other chinese maker that tries to go into european markets alone, and in a shorter timeframe.
OK thanks. Makes sense
 

Crang

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OK thanks.


Iguess it makes sense to cooperate in this instance and see how it benefits BYD. The Toyota name may help move sales in countries like Australia where they hold a mass ve reputation
Then they launch their own homegrown brand and say: did you know we were making the Toyota EVs all along?

Then Westerners be all like shocked pikachu face
 

ansy1968

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Then they launch their own homegrown brand and say: did you know we were making the Toyota EVs all along?

Then Westerners be all like shocked pikachu face
@Crang bro then mentioned to them that I return the book " the Toyota Way" and exchange it to "The Power of Batteries : The Story of BYD" for sure those Westerners will understand...lol
 

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