New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China


Overbom

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Sales of the Wuling hit a record. A new model will come out soon with double the charge and double the power without increasing the price.

From what I have heard, their business model is selling carbon emmision credits because all their vehicles are electric. While Volkswagen is paying tens-hundreds of millions of dollars buying carbon emmisions credits from EV manufacturers.

Tesla also benefits from this in China
 

gadgetcool5

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China lags in important electric car technology despite rare earths advantage, says permanent magnets scientist​

Chinese electric carmakers are still lagging behind their foreign rivals in permanent magnet (PM) motor innovation despite the fact that China is the world’s dominant supplier of the rare earth metals required for making them, a top Chinese British scientist said in an interview.

Zi-qiang Zhu, an electrical engineering professor at the University of Sheffield, said in a group interview this week that Chinese
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(EV) companies, which include traditional carmakers and new players, are generally relying on less valuable technologies than overseas companies.

“If you look at Toyota, BMW or Nissan, they all have their own innovation in their electric machines. But I don’t see that China has any substantial innovation in new energy vehicles,” Zhu said.

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Tam

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China lags in important electric car technology despite rare earths advantage, says permanent magnets scientist​

Chinese electric carmakers are still lagging behind their foreign rivals in permanent magnet (PM) motor innovation despite the fact that China is the world’s dominant supplier of the rare earth metals required for making them, a top Chinese British scientist said in an interview.

Zi-qiang Zhu, an electrical engineering professor at the University of Sheffield, said in a group interview this week that Chinese
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(EV) companies, which include traditional carmakers and new players, are generally relying on less valuable technologies than overseas companies.

“If you look at Toyota, BMW or Nissan, they all have their own innovation in their electric machines. But I don’t see that China has any substantial innovation in new energy vehicles,” Zhu said.

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Many patents are still held mostly by Japanese but one by one they will expire. If your innovation is built upon an existing patent, you have to pay licenses for those patents until the said patent expires.

Nonetheless, China overwhelmingly dominates permanent magnet production.

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Nutrient

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China lags in important electric car technology despite rare earths advantage, says permanent magnets scientist​

Chinese electric carmakers are still lagging behind their foreign rivals in permanent magnet (PM) motor innovation despite the fact that China is the world’s dominant supplier of the rare earth metals required for making them, a top Chinese British scientist said in an interview.

The West is welcome to continue using their expensive, innovative engines in $80,000 EVs. Meanwhile, ByD, Xpeng, Geely, Great Wall Motors, Li Auto, etc etc will be selling $15,000 EVs. Who do you think will win, China or the West? In the long run, who do you think will have more funds for improving their engines?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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China lags in important electric car technology despite rare earths advantage, says permanent magnets scientist​

Chinese electric carmakers are still lagging behind their foreign rivals in permanent magnet (PM) motor innovation despite the fact that China is the world’s dominant supplier of the rare earth metals required for making them, a top Chinese British scientist said in an interview.

Zi-qiang Zhu, an electrical engineering professor at the University of Sheffield, said in a group interview this week that Chinese
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(EV) companies, which include traditional carmakers and new players, are generally relying on less valuable technologies than overseas companies.

“If you look at Toyota, BMW or Nissan, they all have their own innovation in their electric machines. But I don’t see that China has any substantial innovation in new energy vehicles,” Zhu said.

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Yeah, some electrical engineers also believe the sun is a fking transistor, gravity is fake and fusion doesn't exist.

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Doesn't mean it's true.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Just would like to remind everyone that Tesla semi was supposed to be out 2 years ago (a doubling of the reported lead time of 2 years). They started taking deposits in 2017.


BTW Elon says it goes from 0-60 really fast... as if acceleration was a highly important parameter to freight companies, and not uh... maximum payload. Notice how he uses the cost per mile metric, and not cost per ton-mile metric.
 

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