New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

TK3600

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online commentary on Seal vs Han. Looks like Seal is better in most aspects, especially with the 3.0 platform. It does seem to me that they need to refresh Han and Tang with 3.0 or else it will look dated compared to Seal and Sea Lion pretty soon, especially since they are in the same price point.
Seal is a good 10k cheaper IIRC.
 

Blitzo

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online commentary on Seal vs Han. Looks like Seal is better in most aspects, especially with the 3.0 platform. It does seem to me that they need to refresh Han and Tang with 3.0 or else it will look dated compared to Seal and Sea Lion pretty soon, especially since they are in the same price point.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't refresh Han and Tang with 3.0 given it was only with the 2021 Yuan that they based on the 3.0 platform.

New Han and Tang on 3.0 would give them a full sized sedan and a 7 seater SUV that's up to date with the rest of the line up while also having the option to be exported to right side driver markets.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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online commentary on Seal vs Han. Looks like Seal is better in most aspects, especially with the 3.0 platform. It does seem to me that they need to refresh Han and Tang with 3.0 or else it will look dated compared to Seal and Sea Lion pretty soon, especially since they are in the same price point.
Maybe that's why Tang and Song suv pure EV versions have very low sales volume compared to DM-I ones.
 

Mcsweeney

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The charging speed on the 3.0 platform seems a bit anemic (110kW for the standard range Seal and 150kW for the dual motor). That's disappointing and strange given that its an 800 volt system and LFP batteries can take a beating.

150 kW is still very good if you can actually get that. I own a Hyundai Ioniq 5, which is rated at 350 kW, and the fastest speed I have ever gotten is 177 kW, even though I have used chargers that claim to be 350 kW. And usually it's way less than that (honestly, I'm ecstatic any time the speed is faster than 100 kW). Right now the limitation is on chargers and not the vehicles. At least, that's the situation here with Canada's chargers; maybe China has better ones.
 

Mcsweeney

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Just to add for anybody who doesn't actually own an EV: the non-Tesla EV charging network right now is notoriously bad and unreliable. In fact, there exists an entire app called PlugShare where EV owners rate and comment on charging stations to let people know, "This station is currently broken", "This 100 kW charger is only putting out 40 kW" etc.

This is why people who dismiss NIO's swap stations usually don't get just how frustrating it is to deal with charging stations and how convenient it is to swap out your battery for a fully charged one in 5 minutes flat. In a perfect, fictional world where charging stations always work and always charge at maximum speed, yeah sure swap stations might be unnecessary. But in the real world, it's not uncommon for charging stations to sit broken or under powered for months at a time, and your only choice is to sit there for more than an hour waiting for your car to charge with a 40 kW charge, even though it has a maximum speed of 350 kW. Don't get me wrong: I have doubts and concerns about the long term viability of swap stations myself, but the point where charging stations will be everywhere, reliable, and can fully charge a car in 20 minutes or less might be a decade down the line.
 

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Eve Energy 20 GWh production plant to be built in Chengdu and completed in 2 years. They also expanded their plans at Yunnan to 23 GWh to be completed in 18 months. No one is really competing with BYD in terms of building speed.

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I think it's great that Chinese companies are expanding their investment into ASEAN countries.
 
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