Myanmar/Burma civil conflict

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Interesting article about a very legitimate problem in Southeast Asia, but it fails by trying too hard to push anti-China narratives. It is doubtless correct to say that Chinese manufacturers are—directly or indirectly—supplying feedstock to drug cartels. But anyone who has ever worked in a university lab has seen great big containers of toluene, acetone, sodium hydroxide, and sundry ingredients in the supply closet. They are extremely basic chemical inputs with thousands of perfectly legal use cases. The article even acknowledges it indirectly.



It's simply a small and illicit piece of a large and normal industry.



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This is funny because the US is the reason why these drug cartels even exist
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PiSigma

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Interesting article about a very legitimate problem in Southeast Asia, but it fails by trying too hard to push anti-China narratives. It is doubtless correct to say that Chinese manufacturers are—directly or indirectly—supplying feedstock to drug cartels. But anyone who has ever worked in a university lab has seen great big containers of toluene, acetone, sodium hydroxide, and sundry ingredients in the supply closet. They are extremely basic chemical inputs with thousands of perfectly legal use cases. The article even acknowledges it indirectly.



It's simply a small and illicit piece of a large and normal industry.



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Every lab got literally m3 of any of those chemicals. I used to go through those by the liter everyday just to train new engineers on lab procedures. The amount needed to make meth is miniscule compared to the stuff just dumped for training.
 

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Thailand will extradite the notorious kingpin She Zhijiang to China after a protracted legal dispute. He was involved in a number of major criminal enterprises across SEA.

BANGKOK: A Thai court of appeal has upheld an extradition order against a Chinese gambling kingpin after more than three years of legal battles, Thailand's state prosecutor said in a statement on Monday (Nov 10). She Zhijiang, 43, a Chinese national who also holds a Cambodian passport, was arrested by Thai police in August 2022 on an international warrant and Interpol red notice requested by Beijing, who accused him of running illegal online gambling operations.

A Thai criminal court ordered his extradition to China in May 2024, but his legal team appealed the decision, arguing that the order breached the law. Last month, the Thai Constitutional Court ruled that the extradition order was lawful.

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Just realized that my post from yesterday didn't save properly. Stupid forum. Here's the contents that were supposed to be included.

The project’s backbone is China’s digital yuan, or e-CNY. Beijing’s central bank issues this electronic money via authorized banks, and users access it via apps. Unlike private payment systems like PayPal or Alipay, a central-bank digital currency allows the issuer to see every transaction in real time and even decide how that money can be spent. In Myanmar the documents show that Chinese engineers are adapting this model to create an electronic kyat, Myanmar’s national currency, using infrastructure from Huawei and the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, the world’s largest bank.

A digital kyat removes that bottleneck by creating a seamless payment infrastructure. In Myanmar’s digital kyat pilot program, which the government announced in general terms in June, the Central Bank of Myanmar would issue digital kyat via authorized banks. Any of these that trade with China would go to ICBC, which would convert digital kyat into digital yuan, and transactions would route through CIPS instead of dollar channels. The system could let entities subject to sanctions move funds without touching Swift. More important, the layered structure—Myanmar’s central bank to people and business to ICBC to CIPS—would obscure who controls the money. ICBC has correspondent relationships with nearly all of America’s largest banks, potentially opening a backdoor into the U.S. financial system. Military companies under sanction could get access to dollar clearing via shell companies or Chinese intermediaries, making ownership nearly impossible to trace. Each conversion point adds another layer of anonymity.

Naturally the US is worried about the implications for sanctions. Not enough to stop using sanctions though.

Washington should treat this as a direct challenge to the international financial system. Just because Beijing is beginning in Myanmar doesn’t mean it’ll stop there. Expanding this sort of digital currency system to other regimes could allow China to chip away at U.S. financial dominance by creating a parallel system immune to Western sanctions. Commercially, the ICBC could earn fees—the documents show it will in the case of Myanmar—and become the banker for regimes or entities locked out of Western finance. The two goals reinforce each other: China weakens U.S. leverage while profiting from isolation.

Myanmar is an ideal testing ground. It’s a cash-starved state blacklisted by the Group of Seven’s Financial Action Task Force and awash in narcotics and money from online fraud. For Beijing, Myanmar is low-profile enough to experiment on—compared with fellow FATF blacklisted states North Korea and Iran—yet strategically vital for China’s access to the Indian Ocean. For Myanmar’s junta, it’s a lifeline to move money when the dollar doors are closed.
 
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