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Jeff Head

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...every CIA, Pentagon and White House official who has ever spoken of the mission to kill OBL, on or off the record, has been consistent throughout that torture was ineffective and did nothing to lead to the eventual death of OBL.
Sorry, plawolf. This is simply not true. On May 3, 2011, on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams, Leon Panetta, Obama's CIA Director, himself indicated himself that enhanced interogation techniques, including waterboarding were used to extract information that led to the mission’s success.

Brian Williams pressed him and Panetta indicated that these "techniques," defintely included waterboarding...which is what the movie showed.

There are many other such quotes, form others, including the CIA operations manager who led the program who has gone public and given details, within his security constraints and in keeping with what this administration has already revealed, that show precisely how it helped...which the movie generally followed.

So the contention that these techniques, which, quite frankly are not torture, or legally considered torture...we waterboard our own special forces to show them what they can expect, and the enhanced techniques went through very significant leagl analysis before they were approved, anyhow the contention that no one has ever indicated that they helped, is simply not so.

[video=youtube;7LPUN-YHFcA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7LPUN-YHFcA[/video]​

Now, you may argue it shouldn't be done...or that it was wrong despite the legal effots made when they were approved...and that is fine. People will certainly differ on these things.

And you may, as Panetta implies, indicate that the information may have also been able to have been gotten by other means...we just don't know at this point...but there is no doubt that enhanced interrogation helped find Bin Laden.
 

ABC78

Junior Member
Hey guys since people have been discussing Zero Dark Thirty's portrayal of the events leading up to the Bin Laden raid. I thought I'd share these clips from the PBS NewsHour on the matter.

[video=youtube;1ZncXcGEgKU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZncXcGEgKU[/video]

[video=youtube;YcXwrF4fStc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcXwrF4fStc[/video]
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Interesting I've always accused how some people want Chinese money but they don't want China to get anything back like it was reward enough just being in their presence. They just don't say it out loud like with the European bailout and Chinese investment in Hollywood. But now here's actually an admission Mitt Romney style.

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January 20, 2013


An Overture From China Is Yet to Win Hollywood

By MICHAEL CIEPLY


LOS ANGELES — In September, Wang Jianlin, the chairman and president of China’s Dalian Wanda Group, told a news conference here of his plans to invest at least $10 billion in both entertainment and commercial properties in the United States.

To judge from the pace of the deal-making so far, it may take a while.

Wanda has been talking with some studios, as Mr. Wang promised when Wanda completed its $2.6 billion acquisition of AMC Entertainment with a flashy presentation in early September. But any progress has come in halting steps, according to people briefed on the talks, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid conflict with the principals.

And that probably carries an overall message about the film industry’s current rush to do business in China: The promise is great, but much is still being lost in translation.

“Hollywood would prefer to accept what they commonly call ‘dumb money’ and not give very much back in return,” said Stanley Rosen, a University of Southern California political science professor who has written extensively about China. “China is now pushing back.”

Both sides are likely to continue pressing their efforts; Hollywood is eager to have a partner that can help it tap into China’s fast-growing film market, and Wanda wants to strengthen its foothold in the lucrative North American market. But the slow going underscores the disconnect inherent in negotiations between parties whose goals reflect their own, more narrow interests.

Wanda is looking to be involved in potentially lucrative Hollywood projects. But big studios are extremely wary of sharing the pie with partners who do not want to settle for less than the very best the studios have to offer.

At 20th Century Fox, where Mr. Wang paid a call in late summer, the studio was quickly reported in The Los Angeles Times to be completing a deal under which it would co-produce films with Wanda in China.

Five months later, according to one person briefed on the dealings, the discussions continue over the possible coproduction of some Chinese language projects, and the relationship is cordial. But there is, so far, no Fox-Wanda pact, partly because Wanda would prefer to get involved with some mainstream Hollywood productions, and Fox has not been ready to discuss that.

A spokesman for Fox declined to comment on any dealings with Wanda. And Wanda representatives did not respond to queries that were relayed through Fleishman-Hillard, an American-based public relations firm that has represented the Chinese company in the past.

At Sony Pictures Entertainment, another stop on Mr. Wang’s summer itinerary, talks have centered on the possibility that Wanda would provide financing of $300 million to $600 million for a slate of Hollywood films, according to people who were briefed on the talks.

One of those people said a deal appeared close. But another said it has been hung up over financial terms — Sony is said to be demanding a higher fee as the distributor of the films than Wanda, which would be paying for them, would like. There are also questions about what movies would be included. Sony would prefer to exclude its valuable sequels and prequels to movies like the Spider-Man series, for instance; Wanda would prefer to see everything on the table.

A spokesman for Sony declined to comment, adding that the studio generally does not discuss its financing.

One clear step taken since Mr. Wang’s trip has been in a reverse direction.

A few months after Wanda’s acquisition of AMC Entertainment was completed, according to a December report in the Santa Monica Daily Press, the theater company informed the city of Santa Monica that it was terminating talks — which had been going on for more than three years — about plans to build a new entertainment complex near a central promenade, where AMC operates three smaller, and aging, theaters.

Santa Monica officials had viewed the new complex, which was to cost about $33 million, as a centerpiece in the renewal of its downtown. That area will soon be served by a new rail line connecting it with Culver City and downtown Los Angeles.

But the city, which is known for its elaborate development agreements and close attention to things like public art and spaces, was notified, shortly after completing an environmental impact report, that AMC and its team had decided the project was not cost-effective.

Sun Dee Larson, a spokeswoman for AMC Entertainment, now a Wanda unit, said in an e-mail last week that she was traveling in China and could not immediately discuss the Santa Monica project. Ms. Larson also said she could not provide a Wanda contact who might discuss the film financing talks.

But Jason Harris, Santa Monica’s economic development manager, said city officials had thought the project, which had been slowed while AMC negotiated its own sale to Wanda, would benefit from new capital that came with the new owner. Instead, he said, it bogged down, partly over the theater company’s reluctance to commit to amenities like reserved seating.

Now, however, other potential theater developers are taking a look. “You wouldn’t believe the level of interest,” said Mr. Harris.

I wonder how anyone could ever think they could file a WTO complaint because China opened two Hollywood movies on the same day if they're filled with people who see outside investment as "dumb money" and don't expect to pay back the investors. And Hollywood is complaining about how much of a percentage they should be getting of the Chinese box office for their movies shown in China? Or how about complaining about piracy when they think the normal business practice is to take other people's money and give back nothing in return.
 

Jeff Head

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Saw Jack Reacher and really liked it. If you like the Mission Impossible Movies, you will like this movie. Going to see Lincoln this weekend. May change and see Hanzel and Gretel: Witch Hunters though...or maybe even Impossible, about the Christmas Tsunami.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Never got around to watching Jack Reacher, though after watching the Hansel and Gretel trailer, I thought that I would make an effort to see it. I saw Django yesterday, It was a typical Tarantino movie, full of blood and guts, but nevertheless quite enjoyable.
One scene had me puzzled in that it was supposed to be based a couple of years before the civil war, yet in one scene, he had the characters shooting away with 'repeating' Winchesters.
 

Jeff Head

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Here's what's coming!

Several really good movies coming soon: Phantom, Jack the Giant Killer, Oz the Great and Powerful, GI Joe: Retaliation, and Oblivion all between now and the start of April. Then it gets even better! Cause then comes, Star Trek: Into Darkness, Iron Man 3, After Earth, World War Z, Pacific Rim and the Lone Ranger. That just gets us into July!

And we will see each and every one of them!
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: Here's what's coming!

Several really good movies coming soon: Phantom, Jack the Giant Killer, Oz the Great and Powerful, GI Joe: Retaliation, and Oblivion all between now and the start of April. Then it gets even better! Cause then comes, Star Trek: Into Darkness, Iron Man 3, After Earth, World War Z, Pacific Rim and the Lone Ranger. That just gets us into July!

And we will see each and every one of them!

You must have a pretty generous concession card Jeff. I to intend to see the movies you've listed so my senior citizen card gets a good old pounding.

I go to the local movie complex to see the movies that start just after 9.. The staff have got to know me and they don't mind if i walk out of a movie , say 20 minutes into its showing and catch a another movie at an adjacent theatre without buying another ticket. I get away with this because it would be lucky if there were more than a dozen people in each cinema.

By the way I watched Hansel and Gretel. ... pure rubish.
 

Jeff Head

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Registered Member
Re: Here's what's coming!

You must have a pretty generous concession card Jeff. I to intend to see the movies you've listed so my senior citizen card gets a good old pounding.

I go to the local movie complex to see the movies that start just after 9.. The staff have got to know me and they don't mind if i walk out of a movie , say 20 minutes into its showing and catch a another movie at an adjacent theatre without buying another ticket. I get away with this because it would be lucky if there were more than a dozen people in each cinema.

By the way I watched Hansel and Gretel. ... pure rubish.
Well, in our small town, they show a single movie for a week, once a day at 7 PM, six days per week. It's $3 dollars and they are usually about 4 weeks behind the releases. So we watch their schedule and catch the ones we can there. Otherwise we drive 25 miles over to Meridian (next to Boise) and catch a matinee...always a matinee and they are $7 for seniors (55 and over there). We see the most there. They have a deal where you get a large bucket of popcorn and keep the plastic bucket. It's $15 the first time, but then for 18 months, if you bring that bucket, it is $3.00 per fill.

I had heard too much negative from friends about Hansel and Getel and so never went to see it. You just confirmed that decision, thanks!

We will take the Grandkids to see Oz the Great and Powerful, maybe Jack the Giant Killer (after we see it to make sure it is suitable), and certainly Despicable Me 2 and the Smurfs 2.
 

vesicles

Colonel
Re: Here's what's coming!

Well, in our small town, they show a single movie for a week, once a day at 7 PM, six days per week. It's $3 dollars and they are usually about 4 weeks behind the releases. So we watch their schedule and catch the ones we can there. Otherwise we drive 25 miles over to Meridian (next to Boise) and catch a matinee...always a matinee and they are $7 for seniors (55 and over there). We see the most there. They have a deal where you get a large bucket of popcorn and keep the plastic bucket. It's $15 the first time, but then for 18 months, if you bring that bucket, it is $3.00 per fill.

I had heard too much negative from friends about Hansel and Getel and so never went to see it. You just confirmed that decision, thanks!

We will take the Grandkids to see Oz the Great and Powerful, maybe Jack the Giant Killer (after we see it to make sure it is suitable), and certainly Despicable Me 2 and the Smurfs 2.

Hehehe... When I was in high school in College Station (guess what? A college town!), we always went to the movies before 5pm, which was $3.50. The message before the feature presentation was "so and so theater! The best theater in town!" And we alway shouted out loud "so and so theater, the ONLY theater in town!" And we used To sneak beers, sodas and chips into the theater. One time, we managed to get a whole pack of beers and a large pizza in. It's not so much we wanted to drink something, but for the excitement of doing something we shouldn't do...

About movies, I'm quite interested in "host". The book is quite good.
 
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