Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

IDonT

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Wouldn't a 2000lb bomb going off totally disrupt the carriers operation
and thus make it a lot easier to put it out of action in a conflict ?

I mean you wouldn't need to ensure every inch of it was sunk.

Or would the carrier still be 99% functional after a missile strike ?

It depends where and when a bomb will hit. If it hits when there are planes on deck, then the catastrophic effects of secondary explosions from onboard ordinance and jet fuel will caused severe damage. That is what happened in the Battle of Midway to the 3 Japanese carriers and why there was massive damage on the Forrestal in Vietnam due to a zuni rocket misfire accident.

When under attack, the carrier always lauches all its airwing either to defend it or orbit in a safe distance. This is done to minimized secondary explosions. Another step is to drain all the aviation fuel lines and flood it with an inert gas like carbon dioxide to minimized a dangerous gas build up, like what happened to a Japanese carrier Taiho in the Battle of Philippine sea. Jet fuel tanks and ordinance are located in armored spaces way below decks, perhaps under the water line.

The best way to damage the carrier's flight ops is to damage to flight deck. A hit on the arrester wires will surely put it out of commission the same thing with the catapults. These two areas are exposed and not sufficiently armored. The trick is to hit it.

Most anti-ship missiles tend to just slam to the side of a ship because the terminal pop-up manuever adds vulnerability to the missile. I don't know the exact facts, but a Nimitz class carriers has honey combed with thousands of water tight compartments. These compartments act as additional bouyancy for the carrier and is some cases, contain the blast and fire damage. Furthermore, the carrier is a very big ship. A hit by a sunburn on its side, will not have large impact on the ship as it would a smaller warship, like a destroyer.
 
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bd popeye

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

The best way to damage the carrier's flight ops is to damage to flight deck. A hit on the arresting wires will surely put it out of commission the same thing with the catapults. These two areas are exposed and not sufficiently armored. The trick is to hit it.

The flight deck above the arresting wires machinery rooms is armored. However a 2000lb bomb can penetrate that area and knock out a CV.

The best example of how to "mission kill" a modern CV was done by accidently by the USN. The devasating fires on the USS Forrestal in July'67 and Enterprise in January '69. Missioned killed those ships for weeks. The fires were cause by accidental ignition of air launched munitions.

The damage to the Forrestal was so severe she had to return to her home in Norfolk and enter the shipyard for a re-fit to repair damage. The Enterprise took shleter for repairs at NS Pearl Harbor for a period of 6 weeks "round the Clock" repairs.

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BLUEJACKET

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

The fact that the USN been sending only the oldest carriers to be forward deployed in Japan tells me 2 things:
1. carriers can be disabled/destroyed;
2. the oldest carriers are considered more expendable since they are about 10 years before being decommisioned anyway.
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CVN-73 is a different story since there is a nuclear refueling cycle involved and the CVN-65 will be decomissioned in FY2013.

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bd popeye

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

The fact that the USN been sending only the oldest carriers to be forward deployed in Japan tells me 2 things:
1. carriers can be disabled/destroyed;
2. the oldest carriers are considered more expendable since they are about 10 years before being decommisioned anyway.
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CVN-73 is a different story since there is a nuclear refueling cycle involved and the CVN-65 will be decomissioned in FY2013.

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Intresting comments BLUEJACKET.:)

I was ships company on the USS Midway(CVA-41) when it was sent to Japan. While not the oldest CVA at that time. Hancock, Oriskany & Intrepid were in comission at the time and all older. In fact I served on the Hancock after serving on CVA-41. The Midway was chosen probally because it entered the San Francisco Bay Naval Shipyard at Hunters Point 11 February 1966 for extensive modernization, for which she was placed in Reserve and decomissioned on 15 February 1966. She was recommissioned 31 January 1970 following the four-year conversion-modernization at the shipyard. It was the most extensive overhaul on a USN CVA up to that time.

The reason CVN's had not been stationed in Japan because Japan did not even permit CVN's to make port visits until 2002.

CVN-73 probally won't be refuled until at least 2015 or later.
 

Jeff Head

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

The fact that the USN been sending only the oldest carriers to be forward deployed in Japan tells me 2 things:
1. carriers can be disabled/destroyed;
2. the oldest carriers are considered more expendable since they are about 10 years before being decommisioned anyway.
Well, IMHO, the more realistic and non-sinister thing it should tell you is simply that to date, the Japanese would not allow a nuclear carrier to be stationed there...but in light of current geo-politics and the ultimate all nuclear USN carrier force, that may be about to change.
 

BLUEJACKET

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

Well, IMHO, the more realistic and non-sinister thing it should tell you is simply that to date, the Japanese would not allow a nuclear carrier to be stationed there...but in light of current geo-politics and the ultimate all nuclear USN carrier force, that may be about to change.

The USN will have no more conventional carriers after CV-63 & CV-67 get decomissioned in the next few years (except those in reserve in Bremerton, WA). The Japanese had no other choice but to agree on CVN in Yokosuka, and that follows the trend of them gradually becoming a "normal country".
As bd popeye observed,
CVN-73 probally won't be refuled until at least 2015 or later.
and it's scheduled to be decommissioned/stricken in 2042, while the 1st of the class, CVN-68 will be decommissioned/stricken in 2025.

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I wonder where are they going to refuel her, in Japan or in CONUS? And for the duration, another carrier must pick up the slack.
 
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Jeff Head

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

The USN will have no more conventional carriers after CV-63 & CV-67 get decomissioned in the next few years (except those in reserve in Bremerton, WA). The Japanese had no other choice but to agree on CVN in Yokosuka, and that follows the trend of them gradually becoming a "normal country".
My point exactly.

Nothing sinister about it...either the stationing of the conventional carriers there (because that is what the Japanese preferred given their mind set at the time)...or the future stationing of the nuclear carriers. They are what will be available and the Japanese apparently are more accepting of the protection and the economy that such a basing provides than they are adverse for environmental reasons.

Simple as that.
 

bd popeye

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

BLUEJACKET sez;
I wonder where are they going to refuel her, in Japan or in CONUS? And for the duration, another carrier must pick up the slack

In CONUS of course. For those of you USN acronym challenged CONUS is the Continental US. The only shipyard in the world capable of refueling a Nimitz class CVN is Northrup-Grumman in Newport News.

After CVN-73 the USN will just move another CVN to Japan.

Hey didja know when the Midway in OCT'73 first went to Japan the original plan was to rotate a CV to Japan every 3-4 years? Did not work out that way. I do not know why.
 

coolieno99

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

My point exactly.
Nothing sinister about it...either the stationing of the conventional carriers there (because that is what the Japanese preferred given their mind set at the time)...or the future stationing of the nuclear carriers. They are what will be available and the Japanese apparently are more accepting of the protection and the economy that such a basing provides than they are adverse for environmental reasons.
Simple as that.
It is a bit strange to have that type of a policy. There are about 50 civilian nuclear reactors in Japan. Japan had just finished building one of the largest plutonium reprocessing plant in the world.
 

bd popeye

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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?

It is a bit strange to have that type of a policy. There are about 50 civilian nuclear reactors in Japan. Japan had just finished building one of the largest plutonium reprocessing plant in the world.

I've thought that also. But when you consider that Japan is the only nation ever to be attacked by atomic weapons..well then maybe we can understand their paranoia.
 
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