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Stierlitz said:
Eh I wouldn't stick my head in that beehive.
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It is kind of like the Godfather movies, where Marlon Brando says, "I will make him an offer he cannot refuse."

Israel has been relatively safe, because the rest of the Middle East was fighting each other.

Now there is a concerted effort for peace across the region, except for Israel, presumably.

Is Israel outgunned and out numbered by everybody, and the most disliked?

China is not making an ultimatum to Israel.

Chinese expect the Jews to have some foresight, as no one wants to be on the wrong side.
 
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ansy1968 said:
Bro to much success and its very lonely at the top as nobody noticed you and you're being ignored....lol
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Just have the Foreign Ministry phone Israel, then phone all the Arab countries, and arrange a meeting to discuss peace.

Shit, like, you know what brother ansy1968, President Xi Jinping deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, like for real. He should reject that. Do not want to be associated with that Obama character.

:p
 
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TK3600 said:
If it is true Israel is looking for alternative backers such as China, then what does Israel offer to China and what sort of settlement are they looking for? If it is merely existing as originally proposed 2 states then it is fairly obtainable. However Israel still has the upper hand in some areas and they likely want something more favorable. The more favorable to Israel the less Muslim world will get. China need to balance the interest of both party based on China's own interest. What would be a realistic settlement China can give to Israel?
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China is investing a lot of money into the region.

China does not want a war to disrupt those investments.

If someone is not on board with peace in the region, then everyone has to line up against that hostile holdout, just to protect the massive investments that will be made in the coming years, starting right now.

Nothing personal, just business.

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KYli said:
Four days after releasing from prison, this guy killed his parents and their friends and shot and injured a woman and wounded two others at interstate. He desperately wanted to go back to prison.
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The American penal system is about creating a perpetual pool of slaves;
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With busy diplomacy, China has no time to receive insincere people:
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blinken and co. just compromised the national interest for their own petty bs. In any competent organisation, they would’ve been fired and prosecuted but the anglos live in a feudal society with an obsession over blood purity.
 
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RobertC said:
China's masterstroke in facilitating diplomatic relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran has suddenly isolated Israel in the region. China's next masterstroke was offering to facilitate similar relations between Israel and Palestine. The JCPOA was anathema to Israel so originally happy with Trump's exit but with Iran's response being enrichment to the edge of weapons grade Israel is now anxious to attack Iran. And was expecting the US to facilitate overflight permission with Saudi Arabia (examine an Israel-to-Iran and return map). That's no longer a possibility and Israel is getting frantic, especially with the increased religious nationalism starting to sour relations with the US. So now the US is facing three conflicts: NATO-Russia; US-China; and Israel-Iran. China is continuing to follow the path of diplomatic peace with economic benefits among nations and most of the world's populations are watching. And hoping China will turn its attention to them.
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Agree with what you are saying, completely.

It is not often we see a country go on a rampage, like China is doing with this diplomatic offensive for peace.

It has put others on the back foot.
 
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luminary said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648245154506219520

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648815763321487360
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1. I agree with the white guy. There is an expression where if one is riding a motorcycle, do not get into an argument with a car. In this case, he was not even riding a bicycle. That was dangerous.

2. Macron had it better in a foreign country, lol. No wonder he was so happy on his trip abroad.

3. The South Koreans are in over their heads. Putin always had a thing for the Kims.

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Lethe said:
The analogy with Taiwan is interesting because both cases illustrate the limitations for external actors (Muslim nations, Beijing) who seek to avoid certain changes to the status quo (in Jerusalem or Taipei). There may well be a bright "red line" that cannot be crossed without dire consequences, but there are any number of incremental steps that can be taken that do not individually constitute a clear and dramatic line-crossing moment, but that collectively work to reshape the environment. They can walk right up to the red line, around the red line, under the red line. And at each juncture, if it is even minimally plausible to argue that the red line has not been crossed, there are powerful incentives to simply ignore the development or to respond in merely symbolic or ineffectual terms, because the alternative is fraught with costs and risks. One can see these "salami-slicing" dynamics are at work in Israel, Taiwan, the South China Sea, Ukraine...



Even as its relative power declines, the United States will remain a superpower that is deeply embedded in the Middle East and able to inflict its will upon it, even if only in destructive terms. I think it is more likely (which is not to say very likely) that internal dynamics within the United States may shift over time in ways that tend to isolationism and/or a change in attitude towards Israel. Of course China's engagement will continue to grow over time and work to dilute American influence, but I think we are several decades away from a point where Washington would refrain from doing X in the Middle East because it fears the response either from nations within the region, or from Beijing.
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Some redlines can be bypassed and talked around, yes, but others ? not so much. You can argue that the west bank is doomed, and I'll probably agree with you, but what can Israel do about Al Aqsa mosque and unrestricted muslim access to it through the heart of their "supposed" capital (this was a condition Saladin agreed to wrt Christians with Richard the lionheart to end the crusades, I don't think Israel will ever agree to this, no modern nation will) ? What can it do to Hamas (the US lost to Taliban, remember that) ? What can it do to Gaza ? The answer is nothing that won't trigger Armageddon.
Also, how will Israel deal with Pakistan, a nation whose population is super fundamentalist (even by Islam's standards!), Syria, Hezbollah and especially Iran? The latter is spending billions of dollar building underground fortresses (actually capable of stopping Bunker Buster bombs of any size. Check the video on the CuriousDroid youtube channel), ballistic missiles, drone carriers, increasingly advanced submarines, etc. You think they don't plan on eventually using them ?
As for the USA remaining a super power with influence in the middle east, people said that about the soviet union too. See how that turned out ? (BTW the US's internal problems now are far more severe than USSR untill it's very last couple of years).
 
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Virtup said:
Some redlines can be bypassed and talked around, yes, but others ? not so much. You can argue that the west bank is doomed, and I'll probably agree with you, but what can Israel do about Al Aqsa mosque and unrestricted muslim access to it through the heart of their "supposed" capital (this was a condition Saladin agreed to wrt Christians with Richard the lionheart to end the crusades, I don't think Israel will ever agree to this, no modern nation will) ? What can it do to Hamas (the US lost to Taliban, remember that) ? What can it do to Gaza ? The answer is nothing that won't trigger Armageddon.
Also, how will Israel deal with Pakistan, a nation whose population is super fundamentalist (even by Islam's standards!), Syria, Hezbollah and especially Iran? The latter is spending billions of dollar building underground fortresses (actually capable of stopping Bunker Buster bombs of any size. Check the video on the CuriousDroid youtube channel), ballistic missiles, drone carriers, increasingly advanced submarines, etc. You think they don't plan on eventually using them ?
As for the USA remaining a super power with influence in the middle east, people said that about the soviet union too. See how that turned out ? (BTW the US's internal problems now are far more severe than USSR untill it's very last couple of years).
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Pakistan is not super fundamentalist, it has a very vocal minority, but the religious parties have never been able to win more than 10% of the national vote in any election.

A majority of people are religious or conservative with a growing group of secular people.
 
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Virtup said:
Some redlines can be bypassed and talked around, yes, but others ? not so much. You can argue that the west bank is doomed, and I'll probably agree with you, but what can Israel do about Al Aqsa mosque and unrestricted muslim access to it through the heart of their "supposed" capital (this was a condition Saladin agreed to wrt Christians with Richard the lionheart to end the crusades, I don't think Israel will ever agree to this, no modern nation will) ? What can it do to Hamas (the US lost to Taliban, remember that) ? What can it do to Gaza ? The answer is nothing that won't trigger Armageddon.
Also, how will Israel deal with Pakistan, a nation whose population is super fundamentalist (even by Islam's standards!), Syria, Hezbollah and especially Iran? The latter is spending billions of dollar building underground fortresses (actually capable of stopping Bunker Buster bombs of any size. Check the video on the CuriousDroid youtube channel), ballistic missiles, drone carriers, increasingly advanced submarines, etc. You think they don't plan on eventually using them ?
As for the USA remaining a super power with influence in the middle east, people said that about the soviet union too. See how that turned out ? (BTW the US's internal problems now are far more severe than USSR untill it's very last couple of years).
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Does China have similar bunkers for their newest aircrafts?
 
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