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siegecrossbow

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I wonder how that deranged Matt Pottinger thinks of this recent development. After all, the man just published his magnum opus on grand strategy against China on Foreign Affairs magazine fairly recently advocating for companies like the one's doing the suing not to do business with China and also he said to hand out extra phones to every Chinese students in America without WeChat to ensure they can enjoy and see what real freedom feels and looks like.

Real freedom feels like free smartphones? I'm confused here.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Real freedom feels like free smartphones? I'm confused here.
Well, read up his
Real freedom feels like free smartphones? I'm confused here.
Well this is what the dude wrote:

" At the same time, free and open societies—and the companies that flourish in them—must make it easier for Chinese citizens to access information from outside China’s Great Firewall, and to communicate with one another away from the watchful eye of Beijing’s digital panopticon. The Great Firewall is formidable but less technologically advanced than many observers often assume. In contrast to the CCP’s information warfare, U.S. efforts need not involve manufacturing disinformation or even generating much content at all. Washington needs only to provide the Chinese people with safer means to exchange news, opinions, history, films, and satire with their fellow citizens and others around the world.

One good place to start would be with the Chinese diaspora. There are very few Chinese-language news outlets left that resist toeing the CCP’s line. Under a new national security law imposed by Beijing, authorities in Hong Kong recently arrested the owner and editors of one of the few that remained: the now-defunct Apple Daily. The U.S. government can help by offering grants to promising private outlets and reenergizing federally funded media such as Radio Free Asia. "U.S. universities should also hand a second smartphone to every Chinese national who comes to study in the United States—one free from Chinese apps such as WeChat, which monitor users’ activity and censor their news feeds."

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manqiangrexue

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"U.S. universities should also hand a second smartphone to every Chinese national who comes to study in the United States—one free from Chinese apps such as WeChat, which monitor users’ activity and censor their news feeds."
They should do that. Make sure it's a nice phone with high resale value and watch eBay+Craigslist get flooded with them.

"Brand New never opened iphone 12 pro max unlocked 512GB memory. Does not load Wechat. $1000 obo. Pickup on MIT campus near computer engineering building. Call XXX-XXXX for Zhao." LOL

The biggest mistake that Americans cannot help but make when sizing up China is the belief that Chinese people are oppressed and against their government but helpless to fight back. I don't know if they really believe this because they are too simple-minded to understand a rival perspective or if they purposefully lie to themselves because they are too scared to come to terms with the reality of facing a Chinese government backed by 1.4 billion Chinese who want to see China on top.
 
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Overbom

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I think that this is the end of US delusions about Vietnam siding with them

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Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong asked the VFF and its member organisations to strengthen communications and education work,
while protecting the ideological foundation of the Party through preventing and defeating “peaceful evolution” plots by hostile forces , and fighting wrongful, reactionary and politically opportunist arguments and ideas.
Seems like Vietnam fears about another colour revolution happening to them. Congrats to the CPC for showing their counterparts in Vietnam the right way of how the US will deal with them
 

AndrewS

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"U.S. universities should also hand a second smartphone to every Chinese national who comes to study in the United States—one free from Chinese apps such as WeChat, which monitor users’ activity and censor their news feeds."

That is one of the most delusional lines I've seen, given that Matt Pottinger is supposed to be a China expert.

1. It's straightforward to install Google chrome or another browser onto a Chinese phone, then use google.

2. The vast majority of Chinese students going to the USA have to pay a minimum of $30K per year for tuition and living expenses.
If they want a second smartphone, they can most certainly afford to buy one themselves.

No wonder China policy under the Trump administration was so messed up.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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That is one of the most delusional lines I've seen, given that Matt Pottinger is supposed to be a China expert.

1. It's straightforward to install Google chrome or another browser onto a Chinese phone, then use google.

2. The vast majority of Chinese students going to the USA have to pay a minimum of $30K per year for tuition and living expenses.
If they want a second smartphone, they can most certainly afford to buy one themselves.

No wonder China policy under the Trump administration was so messed up.
I had a WTF and LOL moment when I read that sentence. That opinion alone should be enough for this moron to be disqualified being tagged as a "China expert" the moron isn't an expert on anything whatsoever. His take is not only lazy and a distorted ignorant take on China and to the large swathe of Chinese people who are acutely aware of what the U.S. has and what it actually offers to them which ain't much. Because there's enough Chinese people in China that recognize that the entire U.S. main goal for their country is to weaken it politically; balkanized the national unity and support amongst the 56 different ethnic groups within China which means that it'll be easy pickings for the U.S. to pretty much control their favorite puppet to do it's own bidding which is to ensure the everlasting supremacy of the Anglo built World Order and for Asia to continue it's subservient, submissive roles it's intended to play.
 

vincent

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Gosh. Pottinger knows the Chinese language, yet he knows nothing about mainland Chinese. I bet he is surrounded by Taiwan frogs and the cultists. We are lucky to have him in the upper echelon of the Trump regime.
 

taxiya

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I think it's an interesting point that China bringing the US to account at the UN will show definitively who is on China's side and who is with the anglos. It should make targeted sanctions more effective.
I said it on the Afghanistan thread but I think that China should start supporting at the UN, that the US should pay war reparations on behalf of Afghanistan.

The bridge is already burned and China isnt losing anything if it demands (rightly) that US pays money for the damage it caused to Afghanistan.



Thus China would open another front against US, distracting it from the Indo-Pacific region (win)

Rally support from the Muslim world that it protects their bothers in Afganistan against the imperialism of the US (win)

Massively improve relations between China and Afghan people if they finally see a major power standing with them (win)

Gain important recognition from the small/medium countries that China doesn't support imperialism against weak countries (important win)

Gain the moral high ground, supporting local people and being against occupied forces (win)

Cut a deal with NATO countries so that they wont be dragged on the matter (win for gaining strategic concessions)

Send a shot across the world that from now, the era of unlawful military intervention has ended (big win)

I think we should not read too much into this "China bringing US to UN court".

The legal case against war crime of US in Afghanistan is an ongoing one. China was and is not the sponsor. What China is doing is merely pushing it forward, but China won't put too much effort on it. So it is more a propaganda act that China may just drop at any moment.

The case is "International Criminal Court investigation in Afghanistan". Here is a UN page about this case in Chinese. You can find it in English.

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Afghanistan became a member of ICC since 2003 giving ICC jurisdiction over war crime committed in Afghanistan. US is not a member, but that does not protect Americans in Afghanistan. The case was brought up in 2017 but rejected in 2019 due to the fact that neither Afghanistan government nor US were willing to cooperate. In 2020 US sanctioned the prosecutor of ICC for the case. In 2020 the case was revived after the appeal from the prosecutor. So now there is an active investigation.

This means that China was not part of it. Since China is not a member of ICC, I doubt China would push it too hard. I guess China would beat the drum and blow the whistle but not push it.

Why China voices it today? Because Afghanistan is in Taliban's hand, they will be happy to cooperate with the court against US and former Afghan government. However, the case is against everybody, Taliban would be investigated too if it remains in ICC and allows the proceeding. I don't think Taliban would do that because they are not clean either.

But then why China voices it at all? The answer is "why not" if China don't loose anything either way? Basically China is happy to see the ICC fighting the US and the West. ICC was a creation by the west or countries brainwashed by the west except US. Now it is coming back to haunt the creator. Even if the case fall through it will discredit the western ideology and its creation. It is China calling the west bluff.
 
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