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kwaigonegin
Colonel
I don't know about Baghdad Bob but I know Saddam is probably sitting up on his grave and saying I told you so!
ISIS would never have formed if Saddam was still ruling Iraq with his iron fist... heck Tariq Aziz, Foreign PM under Saddam was himself a Christian. All those secular dictators of the past would've effectively crushed any sort or islamic or religious formation of terror groups.
Saddam was a POS no doubt but I would take him any day over the likes of ISIS.
ISIS would never have formed if Saddam was still ruling Iraq with his iron fist... heck Tariq Aziz, Foreign PM under Saddam was himself a Christian. All those secular dictators of the past would've effectively crushed any sort or islamic or religious formation of terror groups.
Saddam was a POS no doubt but I would take him any day over the likes of ISIS.
It is incredibly disappointing and disturbing that in this forum while many love to blame/praise tangential players for failing to/preventing terrorism, few ever even mention the country blatantly connected repeatedly to generating extremist Islamic ideology and terrorists - Saudi Arabia. Let's get it straight, if anything is going to be done about Islamic terrorism it needs to be done to/in/by Saudi Arabia. It certainly hurts the rest of the world and helps Islamic terrorism when people refuse to point their fingers where they should - at Saudi Arabia!
Kwaig, ISIS would never have formed if US forces had not been pulled out if Iraq prematurely.
With the surge we had brought in the tribes on the side of US forces and soundly defeated the insurgency, including Al Qaeda and the initial version of ISIS. They had been drive to ground in Syria and were incapable of challenging US or Iraq.
But then, because they were bound and determined to undo what the Bush victory had accomplished, this current administration withdrew troops completely with no residual security force at all. Flying in the face of proven success.
When he did this, his own military generals and the JCS told him that within two years a serious insurgency could reform...and that is exactly what happened. And when it did happen, this proud, boastful, craziness continued by calling ISIS the JV, not a threat, and trying to indicate that he had them "contained," when the truth was precisely the opposite.
This administration grabbed defeat out of the jaws of victory...that's the truth of what went down.
In addition, this administration's constant meddling in the affairs of nations who were either not a threat to us (Libya and Syria), or in the affairs of our very allies (Egypt) has created an environment where the likes of ISIS has had fertile ground to continue growing.
This administration's dealings from the President himself straight through the State Department and its Secretary and underlings has created a disastrous foreign policy debacle for the United States and there is little wonder that Russia has been able to come in and shore up his ally and take the fight to ISIS which is an entity that should never have been allowed to become what it became in the first place.
In that environment I cannot blame Egypt for keeping itself now at arms length (at best) from the US (heck, WE helped overthrow our own longtime ally and deliver the Egyptian people into the hands of the Muslim Bortherhood...it was only the Egyptian people and their military's complete revolt at the Muslim Brotherhood that addressed that issue), I cannot blame Russia for now coming in and using their air power and Syrian forces and Iranian forces to put down the rabid dogs of ISIS.
With the mayhem and slaughter it is completely understandable...and in fact a better solution than what we have been offering under the current "regime."
US was playing sectarian politics which is no way to achieve a stable state. They are still at it, proposing again arming the Sunni tribes directly and so against the Iraqi government. They are blaming the Russians for attacking all terrorists in Syria instead of limiting themselves to Daesh. There should be an end to terrorism and then free and fair elections. That will give an advantage to Assad for defeating the terrorists but political opposition get their next chance at the next election.
Sorry, Jeff, this is outside California, but I think Obama would have been wrong not to get his forces out of Iraq as promised by Bush2 because the result would have been as bad as what we are experiencing now.
janjak desalin
Junior Member
Oh, but some, here, must always blame someone and something other than those they voted for and their dishonestly motivated and poorly conceptualized policies for the unconsidered, unintended consequences they, inevitably, bring about. The only good man in the whole Bush administration lost his credibility, integrity, and honor because he trusted liars and was misled into lying to the world for them.
Why were US forces in Iraq in the first place? LIES!!!! Valerie Plame is the proof, baby! The Bush administration outed one of "our own" for her husband's attempts to tell the truth about yellow-cake uranium. Yeah, a victory alright! A victory for whom; a victory for what?
Now, go ahead and warn/suspend/ban me and delete my post for making political arguments when your half-page spiel is precisely that! I'd expect nothing other! It's my fault this thread turned political, right? Or, is it Obama's?
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janjak desalin
Junior Member
While we're at it, let's blame Obama, or Clinton, for this, too! It's a graph illustrating the decline of the USDX from a respectable ~120, in Jan 2002, to an historic low of 71.32, in April 2008.
This couldn't possibly indicate that Bush administration policies had a detrimental effect on the dollar's FOREX value, now, could it? Has to be, somehow, attributable to Clinton, or even Obama, right?
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Yeah meanwhile lets forget about the OTHER word (white Christian) terrorist that killed an officer (white also) and other victims as well? You worry more about gun control than the intelligence needed to watch out for public safety?
ASSOCIATED PRESS
CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — The man accused of killing three people at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic left a decades-long trail of broken marriages, scant social connections and a reputation for religious zealotry that didn't match his yen for gambling and extramarital affairs.
New court documents and interviews reveal Robert Lewis Dear as an occasionally violent, fundamentalist loner who was known to nurse a grudge. He had one for at least 20 years against abortion providers, going so far as to put glue in the locks of a clinic in Charleston years earlier, a common protest technique among activists trying to shut down abortion clinics.
But still unknown is what caused Dear, 57, to escalate from petty vandalism to the fusillade he is accused of unleashing at the Colorado Springs office, where a law enforcement official said he rambled about "no more baby parts" after his arrest. Colorado Springs police have refused to disclose a motive for Dear's violence, but there's mounting evidence that Dear was deeply concerned about abortion.
Dear's ex-wife, Barbara Mescher Micheau, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that her former husband came home one day bragging about gluing the doors of a clinic. Micheau, who lives in Moncks Corner, South Carolina, said Dear never talked much about Planned Parenthood, although "obviously he was against abortion."
"He was always plotting revenge against people he felt did him wrong and you know it didn't take much for him to feel like somebody did him wrong," Micheau said. "So he would spend a lot of time trying to get back at people, trying to figure out ways to get back at people."
Micheau was Dear's second of three wives, and in the affidavit she filed to divorce him in 1993, she described him as angry and isolated.
Micheau said Dear had no friends, according to the document. He would listen to music on headphones for hours, ignoring her. He'd vanish for gambling trips to Las Vegas or Atlantic City and suddenly explode in anger at home, kicking her and pulling her hair.
"Rob's anger erupts into fury in a matter of seconds and is alarming," she wrote. "You have to constantly monitor his emotional state."
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She added that he appeared devoutly religious.
"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheauwrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."
Dear's problems were evident even before their marriage ended. He jumped between jobs in fast-food management before joining the South Carolina electric company Santee Cooper. There "he got in trouble a lot and played hooky a lot" before he eventually quit and became an artist's representative, selling prints wholesale to art galleries, Micheau said. "He liked the freedom of being his own boss and not having anyone to answer to," she wrote in the divorce complaint. Money was tight and she said her former husband used his money for "personal pleasures," such as a motorcycle and an expensive gun, rather than their bills that piled up.
In 1992, after Dear and Micheau were separated, he was arrested in North Charleston, South Carolina, on a charge of criminal sexual conduct after a woman said he put a knife to her neck, forced her into her apartment and sexually assaulted her after hitting her in the mouth. No records show how the case was ultimately handled.
Dear also married Pamela Ross, who told The New York Times that he didn't seem overly zealous, standing against abortion but not dwelling on it. Court records show they divorced in 2001. Neighbors who lived beside Dear's former Walterboro, South Carolina, home say he hid food in the woods as if he was a survivalist, warning neighbors about government spying. One neighbor put up a wooden fence separating their land because Dear liked to skinny dip.
Dear also lived part of the time in a cabin with no electricity or running water in Black Mountain, North Carolina.
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About a year later he moved again, having convinced another woman he met in South Carolina to live with him in his white trailer marked with a cross on a desolate stretch of land in Hartsel, Colorado, ringed by Rocky Mountains. Living more than 60 miles west of the clinic in Colorado Springs, Dear rarely waved to neighbors, who saw him heading into the mountains on an ATV to gather firewood or stopping to get his mail at the post office.
Relatives of Dear's girlfriend, Stephanie Bragg, said they hadn't heard from her much since they moved. But her father, Gary Turner, was concerned.
"Gary said Stephanie was living in Colorado and that she was living off the grid, so he doesn't hear much from her," Bragg's former stepmother, Patricia Stutts, said. "It caused him a lot of distress."
Authorities have spoken with Bragg, who couldn't be located for comment Wednesday.
Jura The idiot
General
sorry being maybe 70 hours late in
Breaking & World News! III NO DISCUSSION!!
but this is very interesting and I don't know where to put it:
Meet the armored Caterpillar track loader that helped stop the San Bernardino shooters
In which case, I can see rising oil prices. With the Saudis Co-operation in maintaining production, low oil prices are seriously hurting Russia, Venezuela and Iran.