kwaigonegin
Colonel
Latest report says maybe disgruntled employee. Either way my heart goes out to the victims of this senseless murder! Same with the ones last week at PP killed by that hillbilly maniac
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Latest report says maybe disgruntled employee. Either way my heart goes out to the victims of this senseless murder! Same with the ones last week at PP killed by that hillbilly maniac
plawolf
Lieutenant General
With the gun laws the way they are in the US, frankly I am amazed ISIS hasn't launched a commando style raid yet.
That speaks volumes about how effective the American homeland security and counter terrorism forces have been at rooting out terrorists before they have a chance to do anything.
However, there can be no denying that the lax gun laws in the US makes it that much easier for terrorists to launch commando style raids, as they can easily get hold of any and all weapons they would need for such a raid inside the US, thus massively reducing the planning and logistical difficulties of launching such attacks.
I know many of our American posters are going to strongly disagree with me, and point to America's high gun ownership rates as a potential defence against terrorist commando raids, but I see that as a disaster waiting to happen.
If they attack armed with automatic or semi-automatic assault rifles and is armoured with body armour, which is also very easily obtainable in the US, your Joe-six-pack with his 9mm conceal and carrier isn't like to be able to do much other than maybe buy some bystanders a few seconds extra to escape as his rounds ping off the terrorist's body armour and he gets himself killed for his troubles.
Again, our American friends are not going to like it, but look at terrorist attacks in China compared to the west.
In Kunming, 8 knife wielding attackers killed 29 people.
In Paris, 8 AK wielding attackers killed 130 people, and that was very likely to have been an unusually low count because of good luck.
As the concert, the main target of their attack, was pitch black inside with strobbing light effects, making it hard to pick out targets. In a well-lit place, like a crowded train station, many times as many would likely have been killed.
It would be a terrible and entirely avoidable tragedy to be able to easily foresee a calamity, but lack the will to make the hard choices necessary to prevent it, and then to have it happen for real.
You don't need to ban all guns, but do civilians really need military grade assault rifles?
I would absolutely love to own such weapons myself, and would do if the UK gun laws allowed it, so I'm not your typical gun hater, but I can understand that sometimes what I want for my own amusement and enjoyment needs to take a backseat to the safety of others.
That speaks volumes about how effective the American homeland security and counter terrorism forces have been at rooting out terrorists before they have a chance to do anything.
However, there can be no denying that the lax gun laws in the US makes it that much easier for terrorists to launch commando style raids, as they can easily get hold of any and all weapons they would need for such a raid inside the US, thus massively reducing the planning and logistical difficulties of launching such attacks.
I know many of our American posters are going to strongly disagree with me, and point to America's high gun ownership rates as a potential defence against terrorist commando raids, but I see that as a disaster waiting to happen.
If they attack armed with automatic or semi-automatic assault rifles and is armoured with body armour, which is also very easily obtainable in the US, your Joe-six-pack with his 9mm conceal and carrier isn't like to be able to do much other than maybe buy some bystanders a few seconds extra to escape as his rounds ping off the terrorist's body armour and he gets himself killed for his troubles.
Again, our American friends are not going to like it, but look at terrorist attacks in China compared to the west.
In Kunming, 8 knife wielding attackers killed 29 people.
In Paris, 8 AK wielding attackers killed 130 people, and that was very likely to have been an unusually low count because of good luck.
As the concert, the main target of their attack, was pitch black inside with strobbing light effects, making it hard to pick out targets. In a well-lit place, like a crowded train station, many times as many would likely have been killed.
It would be a terrible and entirely avoidable tragedy to be able to easily foresee a calamity, but lack the will to make the hard choices necessary to prevent it, and then to have it happen for real.
You don't need to ban all guns, but do civilians really need military grade assault rifles?
I would absolutely love to own such weapons myself, and would do if the UK gun laws allowed it, so I'm not your typical gun hater, but I can understand that sometimes what I want for my own amusement and enjoyment needs to take a backseat to the safety of others.
Quickie
Colonel
I'm out of words.
San Bernardino Shooting: Suspects Left Baby Daughter With Grandma
A couple who died in a hail of bullets after left their six-month-old daughter with her grandmother before the onslaught.
U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a shootout with police more than four hours after the rampage at the on Wednesday.
San Bernardino Shooting: Suspects Left Baby Daughter With Grandma
A couple who died in a hail of bullets after left their six-month-old daughter with her grandmother before the onslaught.
U.S.-born Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a shootout with police more than four hours after the rampage at the on Wednesday.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Co-worker Patrick Baccari told the Los Angeles Times that Farook recently visited Saudi Arabia to meet a woman he met online. They returned as husband and wife.
I believe he got radicalized while in Saudi which is not rare by any means for any western borned Muslim men visiting. I do not believe it is terrorism from a standpoint of him being associated with any organized terror group or part of a cell but it is terrorism from a standpoint of foreign influence/radicalization and exerting revenge or skewed justice based on religious/political/ethnic etc ramifications.
Just so I'm not accuse of xenophobia etc I equally categorized Robert Lewis Dear (guy who shot up Planned Parenthood) as a terrorist as well.
At any rate, the disgruntled employee thing at his work place was just the proverbial match that lit the fire it but it was certainly not the primary cause.
I believe he got radicalized while in Saudi which is not rare by any means for any western borned Muslim men visiting. I do not believe it is terrorism from a standpoint of him being associated with any organized terror group or part of a cell but it is terrorism from a standpoint of foreign influence/radicalization and exerting revenge or skewed justice based on religious/political/ethnic etc ramifications.
Just so I'm not accuse of xenophobia etc I equally categorized Robert Lewis Dear (guy who shot up Planned Parenthood) as a terrorist as well.
At any rate, the disgruntled employee thing at his work place was just the proverbial match that lit the fire it but it was certainly not the primary cause.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Well that, if true, would shed a lot of light on this.
I think the law enforcement agencies will be looking closely at this development. They will also be looking closely at the dates when he travelled and bought his weapons.
It will be inconclusive if he already owned the weapons before going to Saudi Arabia, but it would be very damning if he only developed a sudden keen interest in guns after he returned with his new bride.
Unless they were hardcore weapons lovers and/or survivalist, no one is going to have multiple assault rifles and sets of body armour ready to go at a moment's notice at home.
I think the law enforcement agencies will be looking closely at this development. They will also be looking closely at the dates when he travelled and bought his weapons.
It will be inconclusive if he already owned the weapons before going to Saudi Arabia, but it would be very damning if he only developed a sudden keen interest in guns after he returned with his new bride.
Unless they were hardcore weapons lovers and/or survivalist, no one is going to have multiple assault rifles and sets of body armour ready to go at a moment's notice at home.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Exactly.. he was probably 'thinking' it for a while but whatever happened at work probably just gave a lil nudge and push him over the edge.
I understand the "right to bear arms"was written into the American Constitution after the war of Independence from England.This was in case England made another attempt to regain their once American colonies at a later date.
Theirs a fat chance of that happening now so why don't they amend the "Constitutional right to bear arms"
I once saw on TV a program on Americans living in the hinterland who had built up private fortresses with aresenals that would do a battalion of soldiers proud.
Theirs a fat chance of that happening now so why don't they amend the "Constitutional right to bear arms"
I once saw on TV a program on Americans living in the hinterland who had built up private fortresses with aresenals that would do a battalion of soldiers proud.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Those folks are call preppers. As far as the 2nd Amendment is concern no it's not going away anytime soon. Guns or should I say the ownership of guns are deeply ingrain in the American culture and to ban private ownership of guns would be akin to say banning Christmas or Thanksgiving to a large majority of the population.
Many of those who do not own guns would likely be oppose to that type of regulations as well.
Brumby
Major
Putting together fairly sophisticated pipe bombs in my view do not qualify as within the territorial confines of thought. The plan was probably prematurely triggered by the office event. Of interest is the non disclosure as yet of the verbal altercation that may have prompted the subsequent act.