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kwaigonegin said:

Latest report says maybe disgruntled employee. Either way my heart goes out to the victims of this senseless murder! Same with the ones last week at PP killed by that hillbilly maniac

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I seriously doubt the veracity of this reasoning.

You do not go home in 20 minutes because you are mad and return with Pipe Bombs and the massive amount of weaponry, ammo, and tactical clothing in those twenty minutes.

No, IMHO, he simply ensured that the party was being held (just like the one last year which he attended) and that the conference room was packed and that he had the usual un-secured access to it, and then went home to get his partner in Jihad and came and did their thing.

This woman was a wife he went to Saudi Arabia and got a little over a year ago I believe. She was Pakistani living in Saudi. What process got her her visa back to the US so quick? I have a friend (actually a young man who served as an apprentice for four years whom I trained) who has proposed to a girl in the Ukraine and is bringing her back to marry.

it will be almost a year before she gets her visa, and she is a PHD and well documented and more easy to vet.

My other questions are straight forward.

Who radicalized who.

Was he already intent on this Jihad and went there to get a wife to help him?

Was she already radicalized and then radicalized him?

Was there radicalization of one or both locally in Southern Cal?

They will be looking into all of this and figure it out.

But it is clear to me that they had this mayhem planned and executed against that plan.

As it is, I am glad that they found and neutralized these two. sad that it could not have happened before they did what they did.

Brumby said:

This news article has a good summary of the event.

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It is becoming more and more clear that this was their plan...and the plan was probably to do a LOT more...and possibly enlist others into it.

Thank God they were stopped as quickly as they were...but the whole "workplace violence" motive is a for me.

Jeff Head said:

It is becoming more and more clear that this was their plan...and the plan was probably to do a LOT more...and possibly enlist others into it.

Thank God they were stopped as quickly as they were...but the whole "workplace violence" motive is a

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for me.

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It is obvious to me and many others that the "workplace violence" is simply the Obama administration's preferred line to avoid the subject of Islamic terrorism plus it is a better fit to the liberal's push towards greater gun control.

We are gtting to some of the answers.

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CNN said:

Syed Rizwan Farook -- who along with his wife, Tashfeen Malik, carried out the

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-- apparently was radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the FBI for international terrorism, law enforcement officials said Thursday.

Farook's apparent radicalization contributed to his role in the mass shooting of 14 people Wednesday during a holiday party for the San Bernardino County health department, where Farook worked, sources said.

Two government officials said no red flags were raised when he'd gone to Saudi Arabia for several weeks in 2013 on the Hajj, the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Muslims are required to take at least once in their lifetime. It was during this trip that he met Malik, a native of Pakistan who came to the United States in July 2014 on a "fiancée visa" and later became a lawful permanent resident.

Saudi and U.S. officials said records show Farook also was in Saudi Arabia in July 2014. He was there for nine days, a Saudi official said. A U.S. official described the 2014 trip as Farook's "last recorded" trip to the country

Yet Farook himself had talked by phone and on social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism, law enforcement officials said.

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Clearly, a lot more was going on with this couple than any of the agencies knew...but they are piecing it together now.

Jeff Head said:

But it is clear to me that they had this mayhem planned and executed against that plan.

As it is, I am glad that they found and neutralized these two. sad that it could not have happened before they did what they did.

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I think pieces of information coming out seem to suggest there may possibly be a bigger plan in the pipeline and this was a deviation from the main plan. Rented car and apartment and inventory of pipe bombs would suggest something sinister. I think the possibility exist that this was not a singular cell but potentially a network of cells along the Paris attack scenario especially with upcoming festivities. The inventory of unused pipe bombs (and materials for more) clearly was intended for something else.

Hopefully politics don't get in the way of investigations,

20 minutes is just enough to fit out with vest and guns and ammos and do a last minute check of plans. The guns and probably the wife was just waiting in the car while the husband went to check the party is going on.

4500 rounds were found in another house, so something had been planning for a long time.
There might have been others waiting to do additional attacks that day, similar to what happened in France, but they decided to lie low after seeing the swift law enforcement response, and also the fact that the storage house got raided.

They should deepen the probe and conduct a wide sweep. There should be others in the group, possibly quite a few more people.

no_name said:

20 minutes is just enough to fit out with vest and guns and ammos and do a last minute check of plans. The guns and probably the wife was just waiting in the car while the husband went to check the party is going on.

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If he drove to the house where they ended up finding them later, that is five miles and almost 10 minutes each way.

My guess is he went there to pick up the wife who had everything prepared and then they came right back.

no_name said:

4500 rounds were found in another house, so something had been planning for a long time.
There might have been others waiting to do additional attacks that day, similar to what happened in France, but they decided to lie low after seeing the swift law enforcement response, and also the fact that the storage house got raided.

They should deepen the probe and conduct a wide sweep. There should be others in the group, possibly quite a few more people.

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I agree with this. I think there was more planned...either that day, or for future events.

I think as more information comes out the more it is pointing towards terrorism. Now the question is were they the lone wolf types who got influenced/radicalized abroad and decided to self organized and acted out themselves (i.e Boston marathon) or were they actually part of a larger group of actors or cells in organized terror organization and commanded to carry out the acts (i.e Paris)?

So far ISIS etc has not claimed responsibility and they are usually quite boastful of such events if they are involved. She claimed alligiance to ISIS leader but that does not necessarily mean they are ISIS or attacked under ISIS commands.

... Believe it or not the self radicalization types are much much more dangerous than ones who are members of and directed by ISIS or other terror groups. Self radicalization would be almost impossible to track and can literally be anyone. Even a person who for 99% of their lives are normal decent folks and just a short time of influenced by some charismatic person they become self radicalized jihadis. They would have clean records, not on anyone's radar etc.

The FBI etc would have their hands full and quite impossible to win simply because the killers are not terrorists until they actually become one and it would've been too late. This is especially true if their violent acts are followed almost immediately after they turned.

Well, here you have it. Proof positive starting to come in. Tashfeen Malik, Syed Farook's wife and partner in terror, apparently pledged her allegiance to ISIS on Facebook.



It is clear that they both were radicalized. IMHO, it is very clear that they were planning a lot of terror.

it is clear that, for whatever reason, they executed terror plans in San Bernardino.

You know, this Tashfeen was "vetted" by this administration's practices in 2014...look what happened. The two brothers in Boston, who were refuges, were "vetted," by this adminstrtiona nd look what happened...even as Russian intelligence was telling then that the older brother was a radical.

Sad state of affiars.