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BlackWindMnt

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Overbom said:
Grand theft auto
Peru is soon going to steal $1.3 billion and a port from China
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Obviously the Americans are involved otherwise how would Peru alone find the courage to even contemplate to steal from China



They even want to humiliate Xi on live television lol



Ok, demolish the port and give back the money invested, plus interest (protect against inflation) plus damages for incurring opportunity costs
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Lol were they hoping now that the harbor is past the point of no return they could just do this. They really should think about this clearly because you can do this sort of things once. I hope the US has at least offered a nice deal that doesn't involve gunboat diplomacy.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the odd American thought that Singapore is in China, especially after that senator incident.
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Singapore is just a coastal district in shanghai, they both start with an 's' so prove me wrong i won't fall for that misdirection president Xi...

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The envy of modi and jaishankar is palpable, we must remember that these were the ones who tried to start a war with China as it was grappling with Covid.
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Will the support be anything tangible(gunboats and missiles in ample amount and on time) or will it just be emotional support from the emotional damage China is dishing out..

They like to talk about the malacca strait blockade from the western part perspective but i don't think they understand that a blockage point can work both ways its just who projects the most power and violence and in what direction. So Chinese navy could block Indian shipment going to the philippines just as easily especially once they have 3 or 4 carrier fleets operational in south china sea, first island chain and the malacca strait..
 
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sndef888

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Overbom said:
Grand theft auto
Peru is soon going to steal $1.3 billion and a port from China
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Obviously the Americans are involved otherwise how would Peru alone find the courage to even contemplate to steal from China



They even want to humiliate Xi on live television lol



Ok, demolish the port and give back the money invested, plus interest (protect against inflation) plus damages for incurring opportunity costs
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Dina Boluarte, the new Peruvian president is a CIA-backed traitor who couped the legitimate president Pedro Castillo and ordered massacres of protestors.

Such moves are to be expected.

I just hope China retaliates and effs her up.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
By supplying Brahmos to the PH, as well as supporting Bong Bong Marcos and the Amboys against China, India had inserted itself into China's SCS disputes. A couple of unreliable Brahmos missiles is nothing China that could not handle, but the threat and intent is there.

What Modi and Jaishankar severely underestimates is that China can do so much more in South Asia to hit back. Pakistan is a far more dangerous foe to India than the PH could ever be to China. Other smaller nations around India are slowly opening to cooperating with China in defense. Unlike China, practically all of India's neighbours have territorial disputes with it. They are either current or potential customers for Chinese weapons. Apart from that, Myanmar's loss of its Northern territories actually makes fertile ground to train and arm insurgents for India's Northeastern states. Even better that there are plenty of modern Russian and NATO weaponry on the black market today to arm them with. These idiots are lucky that China is no longer into the dark arts of supporting insurgencies in other countries. But if they keep pushing, they might eventually compel China to reopen its book of the dark arts.

Modi will win the current election in India, and because of that, the chances of another Indian war with China is getting more likely. Should that day come, China should unleash hell on India on multiple fronts. First, a good old fashioned spanking by the PLA at Aksai Chin and South Tibet. Second, support a Pakistani invasion to liberate Indian-Occupied Kashmir. Third, create and support multiple uprisings in North Eastern India. They would help to weaken India's grip on South Tibet and Bhutan. When the PLA have secured South Tibet, they can help to liberate Sikkim too. Fourth, fight the Indian Navy in and around the Indian Ocean to break their blockade of the Malacca Strait. Aim to sink the Indian Navy for good. Don't forget to prepare ABM systems near the Indian border and in the Indian Ocean, just in case India might launch its Agni's and other nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles.
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India for some reason tends to pick the wrong side a lot in recent history. Some of them tried siding with Japan in WW2 which the Brits remembered later by carving India into having border gore. The only real times it can feel like a big man is it's victories against Pakistan. And even that might be debatable. For example they love spouting 1971 when Bangaldesh had already done most of the work. And now the Bangladesh they "saved" somehow has a lot of griviences with India. Well done.

If they are on the wrong side against China then China should pay it back without hesitation by carving away of a lot of it's north eastern parts to remind them who they are dealing with.
 
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Overbom

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FairAndUnbiased said:
At this point the solution is easy: if the exclusivity is in question, then so is the payment schedule, because the payment schedule was agreed upon along with the exclusivity. Not having exclusivity is fine, that just means the return on investment has to come sooner. No more money needs to be added... just the schedule accelerated. Refuse to pay? Plenty of ways to make up for that.
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The port investments also follow strategic considerations. For China to make such a big investment I presume that the right to exclusive operate the port was a requirement. Otherwise it wouldn't have built an entire mega port from scratch with so many billions on stake. It would have just bought a stake on another port and job done...

This was supposed to be a geoeconomic investment which had economic and strategic ROI.
Peru's attempt to annul that agreement with that pathetic excuse is clownish which nobody is going to buy.

Also Xi visiting Peru the same month the port is going to be inaugurated with stolen money is going to be huge humiliation. America is throwing the gauntlet with this move. Especially with APEC in play. Countries are going to watch how China reacts. If China just shallows this then game on, they will feel China's weakness and the rest of the BRI world will get a green light to steal Chinese BRI assets.

Huge implications
 
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Randomuser said:
India for some reason tends to pick the wrong side a lot in recent history. Some of them tried siding with Japan in WW2 which the Brits remembered later by carving India into having border gore. The only real times it can feel like a big man is it's victories against Pakistan. And even that might be debatable. For example they love spouting 1971 when Bangaldesh had already done most of the work. And now the Bangladesh they "saved" somehow has a lot of griviences with India. Well done.

If they are on the wrong side against China then China should pay it back without hesitation by carving away of a lot of it's north eastern parts to remind them who they are dealing with.
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India doesn't choose any sides actually. It only latches onto the side that it thinks it can benefit from more. In WW2, some of them stuck to their British colonial masters, while some sided with the Axis powers. When the Axis power started to lose, most of the Axis Indians ran back to their British colonial masters. In the Cold War, India sided with the West at first, and then switched to the Soviet Union later, when the West sided with Pakistan. India is enemies with nations it has a borders with, or who are in its way, because it has expansionist dreams. India courts nations it has no issues with in hopes that it can play them against its current enemies and reap the benefits. But if these "friends" suddenly has a border with India, or are in its way, then they'll be the next enemies. India has no true friends, only friends for benefits. If India had shared a border with Russia today, we can bet that it'll end up like Ukraine.

India's war track record is actually very unimpressive. The wars that India had won were against Pakistan, a token Portuguese force, terrorists, insurgents, and unarmed civilians. When India fought against a proper military force like the PLA, they were soundly defeated. India have never experienced war like how the Chinese did. So India is that ignorant local bully who could only bully his little neighbours, but have never faced a proper opponent. When Nehru commanded his troops to invade into Chinese territories in 1962, he was high on those victories against Pakistan and a token Portuguese force. He thought that the PLA was a impoverished communist peasant army that would run away before his victorious Indian Army. Well, that impoverished communist peasant army had fought the combined US-UN force in Korea to a standstill less than a decade ago. Hence, Nehru's Indian Army got a spanking so bad, that it scarred the psyche of the Indian elites till today. Galwan 2020 was also similar in a way. Modi's India was high on that Chinese restraint in Doklam 2017, taking that as a Chinese "defeat". And by 2020, it so happened that China was suffering from a massive Covid crisis. So India thought it was a great time to stab China in the back to salami-slice a piece of Aksai Chin away. When the PLA came to stop them, the Indian Jawans thought that they were pushovers, and proceeded to assault and murder a couple of them. When the PLA struck back in force, these Jawans were sent running, freezing, downing, dying, and surrendering en masse. A humiliating reminder of the 1962 war. After that, India, the sore loser that it is, went full throttle into anti-China mode.

If India goes to war with China again. This time China must make India pay a heavier price than 1962. The Seven Sisters of the North East, Bhutan, Sikkim, and Kashmir had never originally belonged to that British-made artificial nation called "India". So, China should feel no guilt at all in liberating them from India's occupation.
 
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Randomuser

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Sardaukar20 said:
India doesn't choose any sides actually. It only latches onto the side that it thinks it can benefit from more. In WW2, some of them stuck to their British colonial masters, while some sided with the Axis powers. When the Axis power started to lose, most of the Axis Indians ran back to their British colonial masters. In the Cold War, India sided with the West at first, and then switched to the Soviet Union later, when the West sided with Pakistan. India is enemies with nations it has a borders with, or who are in its way, because it has expansionist dreams. India courts nations it has no issues with in hopes that it can play them against its current enemies and reap the benefits. But if these "friends" suddenly has a border with India, or are in its way, then they'll be the next enemies. India has no true friends, only friends for benefits. If India had shared a border with Russia today, we can bet that it'll end up like Ukraine.

India's war track record is actually very unimpressive. The wars that India had won were against Pakistan, a token Portuguese force, terrorists, insurgents, and unarmed civilians. When India fought against a proper military force like the PLA, they were soundly defeated. India have never experienced war like how the Chinese did. So India is that ignorant local bully who could only bully his little neighbours, but have never faced a proper opponent. When Nehru commanded his troops to invade into Chinese territories in 1962, he was high on those victories against Pakistan and a token Portuguese force. He thought that the PLA was a impoverished communist peasant army that would run away before his victorious Indian Army. Well, that impoverished communist peasant army had fought the combined US-UN force in Korea to a standstill less than a decade ago. Hence, Nehru's Indian Army got a spanking so bad, that it scarred the psyche of the Indian elites till today. Galwan 2020 was also similar in a way. Modi's India was high on that Chinese restraint in Doklam 2017, taking that as a Chinese "defeat". And by 2020, it so happened that China was suffering from a massive Covid crisis. So India thought it was a great time to stab China in the back to salami-slice a piece of Aksai Chin away. When the PLA came to stop them, the Indian Jawans thought that they were pushovers, and proceeded to assault and murder a couple of them. When the PLA struck back in force, these Jawans were sent running, freezing, downing, dying, and surrendering en masse. A humiliating reminder of the 1962 war. After that, India, the sore loser that it is, went full throttle into anti-China mode.

If India goes to war with China again. This time China must make India pay a heavier price than 1962. The Seven Sisters of the North East, Bhutan, Sikkim, and Kashmir had never originally belonged to that British-made artificial nation called "India". So, China should feel no guilt at all in liberating them from India's occupation.
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To be fair every country puts it's interest first.

The difference is can you produce your worth during the time you're an ally? China defended the borders pretty well so the soviets could just focus on Europe until they split sorta early. The US then enlisted Chinas help to manfucture stuff and curb Soviet influence. They did the job so we'll the USSR vanished. Even Vietnam who later soured with China according to surveys doesn't hate China as much compared to western countries. After all when Vietnam needed China most in it's time of need to be independent, China was there and helped them win it. In short, in modern history if China is your ally, it can be expected they will get the job done.

India? From the looks of it despite being an ally, they will offer you subpar help and make every excuse for it. Despite offering crappy services, they will whine why aren't you giving them more and even threaten to leave. Almost like a freerider in a group project.You can actually see it with BRICS where India clearly does not want to sacrifice much but ask for a lot of undeserved benefits. With an ally like that, I rather not have one because if my plans rely on India and it no-shows, I'm fooked.

"Allies" aren't free. They have a cost. And if you are getting a huge net drain, ask am I better off with this ally?
 
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