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Abominable

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Yes but only in MIC. Their civil industry is not cost competitive. That doesn't mean its behind, but the reality is, mass produced handmade shirts sold for 50 cents made by sweatshop laborers will make more money than a power plant or engine that's a few decades out of date, even though its much easier to sew shirts than build power stations or engines.

It's the same problem Ukraine faced, actually - they had all this industry, including jet engines, yet can't sell them because they're just a little worse than the competition, but in a market with so few buyers, a little worse might as well be stone age.
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The idea that North Korean industry is just it's military is a western myth. Most things industrial North Korea is ahead of Vietnam. Vietnam is a third world country, North Korea is not.

The problems North Korea have nothing in common with Ukraine whatsoever. The Ukrainians mismanaged the assets they had inherited from the USSR through corruption, despite receiving billions from both the EU and Russia. North Koreans have had to build everything from scratch from nothing.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Yes but only in MIC. Their civil industry is not cost competitive. That doesn't mean its behind, but the reality is, mass produced handmade shirts sold for 50 cents made by sweatshop laborers will make more money than a power plant or engine that's a few decades out of date, even though its much easier to sew shirts than build power stations or engines.

It's the same problem Ukraine faced, actually - they had all this industry, including jet engines, yet can't sell them because they're just a little worse than the competition, but in a market with so few buyers, a little worse might as well be stone age.
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But, couldn’t the price-point on those out-of-date engines and power-plants be attractive to some developing-nations with limited budgets, and the technology, possibly, be an improvement over what they currently have?
Some of us can remember when Japanese cars were crap, but there was still a market for them. In fact, I preferred Subarus when they were “built inexpensive, and made to stay that way!”

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Not that this model was crap, it’s a beauty!
 
james smith esq

james smith esq

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Abominable said:
The idea that North Korean industry is just it's military is a western myth. Most things industrial North Korea is ahead of Vietnam. Vietnam is a third world country, North Korea is not.

The problems North Korea have nothing in common with Ukraine whatsoever. The Ukrainians mismanaged the assets they had inherited from the USSR through corruption, despite receiving billions from both the EU and Russia. North Koreans have had to build everything from scratch from nothing.
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I don’t think he was comparing NK‘s industry to Vietnam’s industry, but the relative competitiveness of NK’s industry to other industrial competitors‘ and Vietnam’s non-industrial products to other non-industrial competitors‘ products.
However, the endorsement of NK‘s industrial capabilities is appreciated!
 
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TK3600

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james smith esq said:
But, couldn’t the price-point on those out-of-date engines and power-plants be attractive to some developing-nations with limited budgets, and the technology, possibly, be an improvement over what they currently have?
Some of us can remember when Japanese cars were crap, but there was still a market for them. In fact, I preferred Subarus when they were “built inexpensive, and made to stay that way!”

Not that this model was crap, it’s a beauty!
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The point is having industry is better than none. Those outdated industry still have the worker and infrastructure to make products, which is much better than from scratch. Same applies to China of the past. All they need is some joint venture here and there, make cheap products comeptitively for wealthier country. The question is who dare to have joint venture in North Korea and who is going to buy the product even if it is cheap. They are under UN sanction.
 
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TK3600 said:
Again, citation needed. I gave you hard number, you gave me 'trust me bro'. Think this way. If there are key resources NATO could deny to Russia and China, they would have done it already. Evidently they do not control the resources. All I see are American whining about rare earth and begging for higher oil production.
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"As of 2023, the U.S. region accounted for nearly 36 percent of the global information and communication technology (ICT) market share. The EU and China ranked as the second and third biggest regions, each accounting for a market share of over 11 percent."

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So EU + US controls nearly 50% of the ICT market, while China controls just 11%. Not surprising when you consider the most popular operating systems in use in China are still iOS, Android, and Windows.

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Thats pretty odd, because I did not even use the map projection you used. If anything your projection further proves my point. The map size makes size in China's favor. Because it shrinks all global north, which include every relevant NATO member except Australia. For Chinese partners only former soviet union is affected, which is smaller than the portion mentioned of NATO. Places like Iran and Saudi Arabia is now almost size of EU.

Also you are only compare Russia and China to NATO for some reason, but forgot CSTO members like Belarus and Kazahstan. Add in Mongolia too for good measure. Europe is fucking tiny. Only US, Canada, Australia are relevant in land size in NATO. EU size is accounted by minor partners of China without using former soviet states.
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I'll give you Belarus, but Kazakhstan? The same Kazakhstan that's been refusing to extradite Russian dissidents and condemning Russian actions in Ukraine? The same one that's seeking closer ties to the US? Russia's influence in Central Asia is vastly overrated today. None of those countries can be considered close partners of China's or Russia's.

As I said, the Global South cannot be counted on. They will court both sides.
 
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Eventine said:
"As of 2023, the U.S. region accounted for nearly 36 percent of the global information and communication technology (ICT) market share. The EU and China ranked as the second and third biggest regions, each accounting for a market share of over 11 percent."

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So EU + US controls nearly 50% of the ICT market, while China controls just 11%. Not surprising when you consider the most popular operating systems in use in China are still iOS, Android, and Windows.



I'll give you Belarus, but Kazakhstan? The same Kazakhstan that's been refusing to extradite Russian dissidents and condemning Russian actions in Ukraine? The same one that's seeking closer ties to the US? Russia's influence in Central Asia is vastly overrated today. None of those countries can be considered close partners of China's or Russia's.

As I said, the Global South cannot be counted on. They will court both sides.
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China, being right next-door, could simply make offers that they can’t refuse! I’d love to see the U. S. try to fight a war against China in Kazakhstan; please, Mr. ‘Muruhcuh, come fight in “the heartland“!
 
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