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FairAndUnbiased

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Americans are extremely individualistic in their consumption patterns, only; with each person consuming as many categories of good as possible. However, what they consume is wholly driven by psychological conformity. So, even tho’ everybody has everything they want, they all want the same things. In their knowledge, beliefs, perspectives, experiences, et c., Americans are as conformity-driven as any other. In fact, their extremely-individualistic consumption is an expression of this conformity.
Unfortunately, I see that this pattern is what’s most idealized by America admirers, globally, and I do see its influence in Chinese consumption patterns, as well. Although most folks, globally, are still primarily communitarian consumers, when it comes to such things as meals, cars, and homes, I do see a creeping cell-phonization of consumption patterns globally. And, remember, even telephones used to be communitarian commodities at varying levels of community.
We can look at this in two ways, at least. From one perspective, it’s good for business growth; from the other, we might question whether, or not, business growth should be the primary motivator of human activity, i. e., are we simply farm-animals for the farmer to fatten for the slaughter.
The cruelty of factory farming, already barbaric enough when applied to animals, has now been applied to humans.

It has been unfortunate that the Chinese traditions of Buddhist, Daoist and Confucian mercy have been abused and trampled by the imperialists.
Kazakhstan and Iran, for starters should be primary destinations for massive investment and infrastructure development. Success in Iran could be leveraged towards greater access in Iraq, eventually leading to Syria and Lebanon.
And, do not neglect North Korea; although a tricky situation, there is room for growth and development, there!
North Korea has some potential but they run into the issue of competing with Vietnam.

I think an important step is to get Vietnam on side. Make a deal with the CPV to crack down on anti-China propaganda and grant more market access in exchange for allowing them to keep a few SCS islands and turning a blind eye to them going after the Philippines. This is very low hanging fruit.
 

james smith esq

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The cruelty of factory farming, already barbaric enough when applied to animals, has now been applied to humans.

It has been unfortunate that the Chinese traditions of Buddhist, Daoist and Confucian mercy have been abused and trampled by the imperialists.

North Korea has some potential but they run into the issue of competing with Vietnam.

I think an important step is to get Vietnam on side. Make a deal with the CPV to crack down on anti-China propaganda and grant more market access in exchange for allowing them to keep a few SCS islands and turning a blind eye to them going after the Philippines. This is very low hanging fruit.
You are correct!

Vietnam is a vital, and prinary, future partner in development! My error in omitting Vietnam! Development should always start closest to home.

Isn’t North Korea much farther along, in terms of industrialization, than is Vietnam?
 

TK3600

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Industrial outputs only measure one dimension of the economy - producers. The problem with China + partners - indeed the very problem affecting it today - is demand. You can't have growth without increasing demand, which is why the present slow down in China has been difficult to solve via supply side support.
I used industrial because it is the most relevant one. When it comes to other areas of economy China is equally good. They produce most science papers as well as the impact rating of the papers. There are more resources in China and partners (explored on second point), as well as better infrastructure. Demand like service demand is a bullshit measure because American overpay their health care, but that does not make their economy grow bigger. If you go by industrial demands like electricity, steel, China is still ahead because they consume most of what they make.
China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, and even if you count Pakistan though it's an US "ally," are not collectively bigger than the EU + US + Australia + Canada + Japan + South Korea. The problem is that we live in the shadows of the Age of Colonialism, during which Europeans literally tripled or quadrupled their territory. They have control of more of the world's resources than China and its partners do, there's no question about that when you combine all the countries in the Western alliance.
Citation needed. You know Russians are also Europeans and on China's side right? Compare to NATO country size.
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Next I cited resources such as mineral, oil production. You will find similar results for top agricultural productions as well.
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Note Saudi Arabia and other gulf states is moving into China's camp too.
 

james smith esq

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Soon slavery would be praised as a good deem that helps African Americans.
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Lawsuits aren’t the answer, but black Americans are so brainwashed and bought by Christianity, sports, Hollywood BS, and trinkets, that, even if AmeriKKKA tried to bring back slavery, few would actively resist! The people advocating and advancing these policies should suffer the same fates as the most prominent Civil Rights leaders of the 60’s!
 

pmc

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Kazakhstan and Iran, for starters should be primary destinations for massive investment and infrastructure development. Success in Iran could be leveraged towards greater access in Iraq, eventually leading to Syria and Lebanon.
And, do not neglect North Korea; although a tricky situation, there is room for growth and development, there!
only Arabs can force Kazakhstan and Iran to go against West. otherwise they will be neutral or west leaning. I dont think you understand Turkic world or Iranian interests. look at Qatar emir reception in Kazakhstan this summer. you will learn alot.
 

supercat

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Sometimes, what you didn't see is more important than what you saw.

I'm just glad that there are Japanese with conscience.

David P. Goldman: Wall Street financiers can steal from the funds for the Chips and Science Act all they want. But we are all on a sinking ship.

You can't make this up.

The latest from Ya Ya:
 

Eventine

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I used industrial because it is the most relevant one. When it comes to other areas of economy China is equally good. They produce most science papers as well as the impact rating of the papers. There are more resources in China and partners (explored on second point), as well as better infrastructure. Demand like service demand is a bullshit measure because American overpay their health care, but that does not make their economy grow bigger. If you go by industrial demands like electricity, steel, China is still ahead because they consume most of what they make.

Citation needed. You know Russians are also Europeans and on China's side right? Compare to NATO country size.
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Next I cited resources such as mineral, oil production. You will find similar results for top agricultural productions as well.
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Note Saudi Arabia and other gulf states is moving into China's camp too.
Industrial production almost completely ignores industries like software and AI, which are critical strategic industries. China's industrial output matches that of the US + EU, but is still below that of the Western alliance when you include countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia, Canada, etc.

As for country size, look at this map for adjusted land size since the flat map overestimates the land mass of countries around the polar regions, like Russia and Canada, due to the spherical shape of the earth:

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If you add them all up, the Western alliance is significantly bigger. Canada + US + Australia pretty much = China + Russia. The EU is much bigger than the rest of China's partners. Then add in Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, etc. Demographically, the Western alliance as defined by the US + its treaty allies is 1.4 billion people, which is less than China + Russia, but not by much.
 
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TK3600

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Industrial production almost completely ignores industries like software and AI, which are critical strategic industries. China's industrial output matches that of the US + EU, but is still below that of the Western alliance when you include countries like Japan, South Korea, Australia, Canada, etc.
Again, citation needed. I gave you hard number, you gave me 'trust me bro'. Think this way. If there are key resources NATO could deny to Russia and China, they would have done it already. Evidently they do not control the resources. All I see are American whining about rare earth and begging for higher oil production.

As for country size, look at this map for adjusted land size since the flat map overestimates the land mass of countries around the polar regions, like Russia and Canada, due to the spherical shape of the earth:

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If you add them all up, the Western alliance is significantly bigger. Canada + US + Australia pretty much = China + Russia. The EU is much bigger than the rest of China's partners. Then add in Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, etc. Demographically, the Western alliance as defined by the US + its treaty allies is 1.4 billion people, which is less than China + Russia, but not by much.
Thats pretty odd, because I did not even use the map projection you used. If anything your projection further proves my point. The map size makes size in China's favor. Because it shrinks all global north, which include every relevant NATO member except Australia. For Chinese partners only former soviet union is affected, which is smaller than the portion mentioned of NATO. Places like Iran and Saudi Arabia is now almost size of EU.

Also you are only compare Russia and China to NATO for some reason, but forgot CSTO members like Belarus and Kazahstan. Add in Mongolia too for good measure. Europe is fucking tiny. Only US, Canada, Australia are relevant in land size in NATO. EU size is accounted by minor partners of China without using former soviet states.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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You are correct!

Vietnam is a vital, and prinary, future partner in development! My error in omitting Vietnam! Development should always start closest to home.

Isn’t North Korea much farther along, in terms of industrialization, than is Vietnam?
Yes but only in MIC. Their civil industry is not cost competitive. That doesn't mean its behind, but the reality is, mass produced handmade shirts sold for 50 cents made by sweatshop laborers will make more money than a power plant or engine that's a few decades out of date, even though its much easier to sew shirts than build power stations or engines.

It's the same problem Ukraine faced, actually - they had all this industry, including jet engines, yet can't sell them because they're just a little worse than the competition, but in a market with so few buyers, a little worse might as well be stone age.
 
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