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How do these people get paid to write this?

China, are you tired of doing nothing and winning? At what cost of doing nothing and winning? The downsides of winning too much!!

The US self-implosion juxtaposed with China's leapfrogging has induced Copium Derangement Syndrome among think tankers.
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It's actually not a bad article.
 
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Exclusive: US considering curbs on exports to China made with US software, sources say​

Oct 22 (Reuters) - The Trump administration is considering a plan to curb a dizzying array of software-powered exports to China, from laptops to jet engines, to retaliate against Beijing's latest round of rare earth export restrictions, according to a U.S. official and three people briefed by U.S. authorities.

While the plan is not the only option on the table, it would make good on President Donald Trump's threat earlier this month to bar "critical software" exports to China by restricting global shipments of items that contain U.S. software or were produced using U.S. software.

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On October 10, Trump said in a social media post that he would impose additional tariffs of 100% on China's U.S.-bound shipments, along with new export controls on "any and all critical software" by November 1 without further details.

To be sure, the measure, details of which are being reported for the first time, may not move forward, the sources said.

But the fact that such controls are being considered shows the Trump administration is weighing a dramatic escalation of its showdown with China, even as some within the U.S. government favor a gentler approach, according to two of the sources.

The White House declined to comment. The Commerce Department, which oversees export controls, did not respond to requests for comment.

A spokesperson for the Chinese embassy did not comment on the specific U.S. measures under consideration but said China opposed the U.S. "imposing unilateral long-arm jurisdiction measures" and vowed to "take resolute measures to protect its legitimate rights and interests" if the U.S. proceeds down what it views as a wrong path.

Administration officials could announce the measure to put pressure on China but stop short of implementing it, one of the sources said. Narrower policy proposals are also being discussed, two of the people said.

"Everything imaginable is made with U.S. software," one of the sources said, highlighting the broad scope of the proposed action. The sources declined to be named because the matter was not public.

The move could disrupt global trade with China, especially for technology products, and could come at a cost to the U.S. economy if fully implemented.

The measure, if adopted, would echo restrictions that the Biden administration imposed on Moscow after its 2022 invasion of Ukraine. Those rules restricted exports to Russia of items made globally using U.S. technology or software.

Trump's Truth Social post came just three weeks before a previously announced meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in South Korea, and a day after China dramatically expanded its export controls on rare earth elements. China dominates the market for such elements, which are essential to tech manufacturing.

In his post, Trump said China's action, also effective November 1, represented "a moral disgrace" that would impose controls on "virtually every product they make."

But questions have swirled about what Trump meant in his response by "critical software" controls.

While Trump has slapped a series of tariffs on China since taking office in January, he has wavered in his use of export restrictions against Beijing, first imposing strict new curbs on shipments of Nvidia's AI chips as well as chip design software to China, and later removing them.

China expressed its opposition to a Trump administration rule last month that restricts U.S. companies from shipping goods and technology to companies at least 50% owned by sanctioned Chinese firms.
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On the twelfth day of Christmas
My president gave to me
Twelve Rotting Soybeans…

laptops to jet engines, to retaliate against Beijing's latest round of rare earth export restrictions, according to a U.S. official and three people briefed by U.S. authorities.
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to bar "critical software" exports to China by restricting global shipments of items that contain U.S. software or were produced using U.S. software.
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An rude awakening is coming when they find out China has domestic alternatives. An embargo for an embargo.
"Everything imaginable is made with U.S. software," one of the sources said, highlighting the broad scope of the proposed action.
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lmfao I can't believe modi is actually footing the bill at the expense of his own people
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India has very poor human capital and Indian government is not giving direction to its people. Any country at war will put people under extreme surveillance and this can reveal alot of things.
Indian students went to Russia assuming English will be primary source of medical education and after this Ukraine conflict Russian language requirement were slowly tightened and scores of students expelled for failing it even in later years. and there is another thing cost of Medical education was raised in Russia for better control over state sponsor students over extended period of time but this also impact international students.

 
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On the twelfth day of Christmas
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An rude awakening is coming when they find out China has domestic alternatives. An embargo for an embargo.
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Oh great. Then China should outright ban not just all sorts of REE exports, but also any and all sorts of items that contain even 0.01% of Chinese REE to the US.

Maybe have that gallium to be export-banned too - Americans can go dig their chargers to produce AESA radars.

Left without American software vs Left without Chinese REE & Gallium - Let's see who's getting a$$ handed over.
 
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Oh great. Then China should outright ban not just all sorts of REE exports, but also any and all sorts of items that contain even 0.01% of Chinese REE to the US.

Maybe have that gallium to be export-banned too - Americans can go dig their chargers to produce AESA radars.

Left without American software vs Left without Chinese REE & Gallium - Let's see who's finished first.
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Soon they will have to dig up chips from washing machines.... same thing they accused Russia of doing . turns out was all projection
 
FriedButter

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Oh great. Then China should outright ban not just all sorts of REE exports, but also any and all sorts of items that contain even 0.01% of Chinese REE to the US.
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It will end up as a global trade war. Only China has domestic alternatives and the US software is embedded everywhere else. The US is stating their intentions to launch a global blockade on China. And all the US vessels will fall in line.
 
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It will end up as a global trade war. Only China has domestic alternatives and the US software is embedded everywhere else. The US is stating their intentions to launch a global blockade on China. And all the US vessels will fall in line.
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Then those vessels should also suffer as they must. Just like Europe is finding out about Nexperia right now.

They choose to make their own beds like that, now they must lie in them. For centuries, they don't remember what FAFO means - Time to help them recall.

In the meantime, China must go on the absolute offensive across the rest of the world now. No more time and space for them to remain conservative and reserved anymore.
 
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