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Cost isn't an issue? That's the kind of thinking leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union, I'd caution you to stay clear of that kind of......irrational exuberance.

Anyway, my line of thought stems from the fact that by building a Chinese carrier and training on it, the PLAN would run into an initial shock, but would totally master carrier operations within a relatively short period of time. That's, of course, using my opinion that there is no imminent need for the PLAN to acquire this type of projection capability.
 
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vincelee said:
Cost isn't an issue? That's the kind of thinking leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union, I'd caution you to stay clear of that kind of......irrational exuberance.

Anyway, my line of thought stems from the fact that by building a Chinese carrier and training on it, the PLAN would run into an initial shock, but would totally master carrier operations within a relatively short period of time. That's, of course, using my opinion that there is no imminent need for the PLAN to acquire this type of projection capability.
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"Cost isn't an issue? That's the kind of thinking leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union"

Well it's not like i'm going to spend 11% of my GDP on military...

"but would totally master carrier operations within a relatively short period of time. That's, of course, using my opinion that there is no imminent need for the PLAN to acquire this type of projection capability."

I'd say 5 years minimum. I also think in 5 years the Taiwan issue could be solved. If it is solved, probably in the favour of reunification, then the PRC would have a perfect base to rule the seas of South East Asia. To do that a carrier is needed. Of course there isn't an imminent need for a carrier, but US doesn't really need 12 carriers operational presently, does it? It's really only about deterrence. And China has a lot of enemies to gain deterrence over.
 
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The best chance of Taiwan gaining independence is 2008 olympics, but if it doesn't take that opportunity then in 2010 it could probably be solved. Also it depends on which government is in power. If the next election turns out to be in KMT favour, they'd negotiate much more with the PRC about reunification, and that doesn't take 5 years. Once the vote on reunification is passed reunification is bound to happen, and think about it, both sides (pan blue and pan green) are pretty equally matched, so if only one vote on reunification is passed, no matter if there were a hundred other votes previously on not passing it, Taiwan will reunify.
 
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trust me, Taiwanese people don't want to reunify (this is from my personal experience with all my Taiwanese friends). I like the way it is right now. I do think that if KMT is in power, the relationship across the strait will get better and then Taiwanese people might feel closer to the mainland. Then, things might turn around.

As for the carriers, we don't need them. Just get more subs and destroyers and FACs. If we have to go against a few American carrier groups, all of our surface ships will get destroyed really fast. So carriers would just be sitting ducks. Stick with the submarine development.
 
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vincelee said:
Taiwan in 5 years? Doubtful.
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大哥啊。。。大陆想打台湾并不是什么很难的事情。。请台湾人民不要小看自己的祖国。。。。8 年的抗日战争的不是容易的。

大陆我相信一定会在今后5到8年内有航空母舰作战组。。。所以如果你不想看到。。请移据月亮。

请用中文回帖子 vincelee :)
台湾来的二杆子 请回[email protected]

Sorry guys that i typed it in chinese,but this is something i want vincelee to know.and it's important. :)
 
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tphuang said:
trust me, Taiwanese people don't want to reunify (this is from my personal experience with all my Taiwanese friends). I like the way it is right now. I do think that if KMT is in power, the relationship across the strait will get better and then Taiwanese people might feel closer to the mainland. Then, things might turn around.

As for the carriers, we don't need them. Just get more subs and destroyers and FACs. If we have to go against a few American carrier groups, all of our surface ships will get destroyed really fast. So carriers would just be sitting ducks. Stick with the submarine development.
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what do u mean we don't need carriers....how do u expect to fight with good air defence at open sea without carriers?? Think about it..can submarines carry air planes?? NO i don't think so! Plus i doubt that our navy will be totally destroyed if we face american CBGs....don't underestimate our navy and over estimate someone else's. :) Thanks.
 
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