Military situation in the sino-indian border

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james smith esq

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Could India be planning to use this scenario as a pretext to bail-out of its 5th gen fighter deal with Russia and bail-in to the F-35 (and F-16) program? Such that, after being convincingly defeated in this, small-scale, confrontation, India's need to improve its capabilities against China immediately, as opposed to after the next ten years, would be abundantly clear? The 'China Containment' strategists would love to accomplish this feat!
 

plawolf

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Could India be planning to use this scenario as a pretext to bail-out of its 5th gen fighter deal with Russia and bail-in to the F-35 (and F-16) program? Such that, after being convincingly defeated in this, small-scale, confrontation, India's need to improve its capabilities against China immediately, as opposed to after the next ten years, would be abundantly clear? The 'China Containment' strategists would love to accomplish this feat!

That would be an exceptionally costly and stupid way to achieve a domestic policy shift that would instead just be done, domestically, without inviting a humiliating arse whipping by a foreign power.

If India really pushed China to war, a 5th gen deal might not even happen as India will probably need that money to rebuilt all the conventional planes and other military assets it will loose.
 
Tidalwave is radically fwacked up.
B.I.B. I'll feel sorry for you if he now gives you back LOL

but as far as I understand, he's in China (you said you're in New Zealand), so there can be a significant difference between the views from in and out, despite you all guys speaking the language and knowing the culture
 

manqiangrexue

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B.I.B. I'll feel sorry for you if he now gives you back LOL

but as far as I understand, he's in China (you said you're in New Zealand), so there can be a significant difference between the views from in and out, despite you all guys speaking the language and knowing the culture
LOL No no no no, no sane person from China feels that way. Chinese scientists and students pour onto our campus and into our labs and I have never met a crazy wack-a-doodle like him. The reason for which he sounds so angry in his posts is probably that he can't find people who agree with him... on anything.

Mao Zedong's not effing crazy; he's got Mao confused with a certain North Korean gentleman whom his portly line of descendants insists rules from the grave. Mr. Kim Il Sung decided to say, "I'm crazy and broke! Fwak it; let's invade South Korea!" And for his decision, he quickly ended up hiding in mountain holes to avoid being killed by US troops, which would have completely decimated his country were it not for China and the Soviet Union stepping in.

Mao Zedong remarked that it would be all-out war and that China would turn every able-bodied citizen into a soldier, descending an army of half a billion onto Russia if the Soviets carried out the threat to use nuclear weapons on China. It's not that crazy at all. He simply said that even though China is not a technologically powerful position, if attacked and put up against the wall, it would fight the only way it could, which is to use its massive numbers. What else could he say? "Please don't nuke us; we're harmless and bruise easily???"

Nobody is threatening China with nuclear war today. If someone threatened to nuke China today, the only response would be that China would nuke them into extinction in return.
 
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LOL No no no no, no sane person from China feels that way. ...
I would prefer if people in China cared just how to get rich, and not about 'class struggle', 'flame of revolution' etc., but with the number of Communists approaching 100m and with Mao on all banknotes ... I sure don't know, but what if his
tidalwave
thinking is actually predominant in China
 
this afternoon I noticed
India should withdraw troops to avoid escalation of tension: Chinese FM
Xinhua| 2017-07-18 19:02:00
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India should not take its military's trespass into Chinese territory as a "policy tool" to achieve certain political purposes, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said Tuesday.

Indian border troops crossed into Chinese territory from Sikkim in June. After a month-long stalemate, India has still not withdrawn troops to its own territory.

The trespass of Indian border troops has captured the attention of the international community, Lu said at a regular news briefing.

Some foreign diplomats based in China have said the incident is "shocking" and "difficult to understand," and have sought verification from China, Lu said.

"The essence of the incident is clear. Indian troops crossed the demarcated and mutually recognized border in the Sikkim section," Lu said.

The spokesperson urged India to correctly understand the situation and take measures to withdraw troops to avoid an escalation of tension.
 

vincent

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I would prefer if people in China cared just how to get rich, and not about 'class struggle', 'flame of revolution' etc., but with the number of Communists approaching 100m and with Mao on all banknotes ... I sure don't know, but what if his
tidalwave
thinking is actually predominant in China
People in China join the Communist Party because there are benefits, not because they believe in Communism. Hardly anyone believe in Communism anymore
 

Lethe

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As a student of history, one learns that relations between centres of power are not only about physics, but also psychology. Observing the output of various Chinese commentators, the key risk clearly emerges: that of a nation so intoxicated by its own power, by its own narrative of civilizational destiny, that it fails to perceive how its actions produce reactions that ultimately undermine its own interests.

It's possible that China could humiliate India in this latest flare-up, whether on the battlefield or in the diplomatic arena. But it would be far from sensible to do so. Looking to the long-term, the challenge posed by Indian power to Chinese interests may ultimately dwarf that of all other nations, including the United States. A superpower with a grudge, consumed by wounded pride, makes for an unwise adversary in a world that will, in any case, present China with its fair share of challenges.

Ironically, this is a variation on the same conversation one has with American hyper-nationalists who wish to see China put back in its box. It is very likely that, even today, American might could dismantle China's military inventory and supporting infrastructure from top to bottom, achieving a total (if undoubtedly costly) victory. But the question remains, as it always has: and then what? China, like India, will remain in this world and will only grow stronger over time. Kicking the can down the road another decade at the cost of nurturing a hatred that will burn across generations is, in fact, no solution at all.

So one says to American hotheads. And Chinese ones as well.
 

Hendrik_2000

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As a student of history, one learns that relations between centres of power are not only about physics, but also psychology. Observing the output of various Chinese commentators, the key risk clearly emerges: that of a nation so intoxicated by its own power, by its own narrative of civilizational destiny, that it fails to perceive how its actions produce reactions that ultimately undermine its own interests.

It's possible that China could humiliate India in this latest flare-up, whether on the battlefield or in the diplomatic arena. But it would be far from sensible to do so. Looking to the long-term, the challenge posed by Indian power to Chinese interests may ultimately dwarf that of all other nations. A superpower with a grudge, consumed by wounded pride, makes for an unwise adversary in a world that will, in any case, present China with its fair share of challenges.

Ironically, this is a variation on the same conversation one has with American hyper-nationalists who wish to see China put back in its box. It is very likely that, even today, American might could, if marshalled for total war, dismantle China's military inventory and supporting infrastructure from top to bottom, achieving a total (if undoubtedly costly) victory. But the question remains: and then what? China, like India, will remain in this world and will only grow stronger over time. Kicking the can down the road another decade at the cost of nurturing a hatred that will burn across generations is, in fact, no solution at all.

So one says to American hotheads. And Chinese ones as well.

I don't know why you said that China has been more than magnanimous in the 62 war Where is in the annals of history a conquering army returning territory to the v anguish then return to the LAC as if nothing happened. Treated the prisoner of war with respect and kindness

China did that because she doesn't believe in settling the border with war. She also doesn't want to humiliate India and hope to make friend with India

But what she got for all those magnanimity Nothing instead of introspection and acknowledge their own culpability and make amend with China India invent the "stab in back" narrative where Indian innocent is rape by bad wolf Chinese. She is not truthful with their own history
Nothing is far from the truth

If you want to talk about psychology it more the case of inferiority complex on the part of India toward China that is the real cause of the enmity between China and India.
She is more than willing to become the pawn of the west in effort to contain China. And can't wait to exact revenge of their defeat in 62

India has a head start compare to China with their economy intact and devoid of war devastation. She has the best infrastructure Asia courtesy of British empire. Good civil servant and exchequer brimming with surplus.etc

Yet she squander all those lead end up of chaotic and stunted growth!. India need to take care of their people and improve their living standard instead of spending money on weapon and dream of super power You built strong country by economy and not by war!

50 years is a long time people sometime forgot their lesson and about time India take refresher course!

The comparison to the way US and west treat China is not similar at all. The west has active containment policy toward China.They impose economic embargo in 60's and still impose Technical embargo to this day. They actively incite China neighbor to be hostile to her
Ring China with military bases , snooping and conductive provocative FON. Actively support effort for regime change and pay dissident to destabilize China
 
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sanblvd

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As a student of history, one learns that relations between centres of power are not only about physics, but also psychology. Observing the output of various Chinese commentators, the key risk clearly emerges: that of a nation so intoxicated by its own power, by its own narrative of civilizational destiny, that it fails to perceive how its actions produce reactions that ultimately undermine its own interests.

It's possible that China could humiliate India in this latest flare-up, whether on the battlefield or in the diplomatic arena. But it would be far from sensible to do so. Looking to the long-term, the challenge posed by Indian power to Chinese interests may ultimately dwarf that of all other nations, including the United States. A superpower with a grudge, consumed by wounded pride, makes for an unwise adversary in a world that will, in any case, present China with its fair share of challenges.

Ironically, this is a variation on the same conversation one has with American hyper-nationalists who wish to see China put back in its box. It is very likely that, even today, American might could dismantle China's military inventory and supporting infrastructure from top to bottom, achieving a total (if undoubtedly costly) victory. But the question remains, as it always has: and then what? China, like India, will remain in this world and will only grow stronger over time. Kicking the can down the road another decade at the cost of nurturing a hatred that will burn across generations is, in fact, no solution at all.

So one says to American hotheads. And Chinese ones as well.

That is why its best that India be broken into half dozen countries like it was before for over 3000 years, the current India that we know of is nothing but a British invention. India is not even close to China in the sense that they share a common strong bond, in fact most of Indian cannot even talk to each other with their own common mother tong, the have to use English to do basic communication.

People always says China have protest movements that the government is unstable, but no one mentions that India actually have armed separatist movement with weapons and all trying to break apart from India.

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Tens of thousand of people have been killed in those insurgency in past few decades, just in Kashmir insurgency alone, over 80,000 people has been put down by India in past 3 decades, and yet the friendly Western media like to focus on Tibet with less than 300 during that time... gee I wonder why???

Any one of those insurgency movement make the most hardcore Chinese protest or internal unrest look like a elementary school play. And you know what? The place where India and China have dispute right now? There is a insurgency as well.

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So yeah, don't compare China to India, and after this is over and done, China must support all such separatism movement inside India.
 
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