Military situation in the sino-indian border

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Hendrik_2000

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If China scared of large scale war that will wipe out years of economic gain then psychologically it already lost. No, more economic advancement and military gain will not make opponents capitulate or compromise if without the will to risk ALL. Small minded people always talk about trade surplus and brag about it are sissy people and do not have what it take to get it done. What's missing in China is Maoism,willing to risk it all mentality .

Nobody is scared of war but sending some one son, brother, husband in a harm way is a big responsibility that should not be taken lightly. The leader has responsibility to the people
War should be the last resort Every avenue of peace should be explored and forbearance is a virtue

Only when all those avenue are exhausted then the leader has no more option but to declare war
China did that in 1962 waiting 9 months before sending troop to the border
The same thing in Korea China wait until the very last minute when Yalu river was crossed then there is no more option left

So declaring war is a big responsibility

But on the principle China does not back off a single inch sofar The ball is not on the Indian court it is their next move
 

vesicles

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And it's really pathetic for some people who think time goes by , China will eventually achieve what it needs. No, China needs certain breakthrough, more time do not guarantee it will achieved. A lot of sectors in China are monopolized by foreign companies, if China does not have guts to take them down then it will continue like this and no breakthrough can be had. Status quo. More trade surplus ain't gonna do it.

How will a war solve that this? All China needs to do is to change its domestic policy to kick out the foreign companies if it desires to do so. China in the 1980's decided to open its doors to foreign investment. It can decide to close it again if it wants. They don't need a war to do that. It's a domestic matter. Attacking others won't kick out the foreign companies.
 
I thought I wouldn't post here anymore, but a post popped up, I looked ...
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The same thing in Korea China wait until the very last minute when Yalu river was crossed then there is no more option left

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are you implying the UN forces crossed the Yalu?? (sorry if I misunderstood this way your sentence I quote)
I mean on the ground (I'm aware of the MiG Alley)
I read only two books on the Korean War, but would be surprised if I missed something like this, so I wonder if you'll answer
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I thought I wouldn't post here anymore, but a post popped up, I looked ...
now wait:

are you implying the UN forces crossed the Yalu?? (sorry if I misunderstood this way your sentence I quote)
I mean on the ground (I'm aware of the MiG Alley)
I read only two books on the Korean War, but would be surprised if I missed something like this, so I wonder if you'll answer
He meant China waited until the last minute before China crossed the Yalu.
 

taxiya

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If China scared of large scale war that will wipe out years of economic gain then psychologically it already lost. No, more economic advancement and military gain will not make opponents capitulate or compromise if without the will to risk ALL. Small minded people always talk about trade surplus and brag about it are sissy people and do not have what it take to get it done. What's missing in China is Maoism,willing to risk it all mentality .
Chairman Mao was very calculative when deciding the wars of 1950 and 1962, unlike what you portrayed him to be "risk it all" which is a gambler mindset.

Chairman Mao had his own son (and the only capable son) killed in the war in Korea, that made him morally unchallengeable to send other people's sons and brothers to the war. That was a reason he openly stated.

Now, compared with Chairman Mao, when you advocate "risk it all", do you consider taking a rifle and shoot and being shoot at in that possible war with India? If you are old enough to have a brother (born before the one-child policy), are you willing to risk seeing him killed in action?

I don't want to corner you in this forum as that may not be polite and I apologize before hand if I made that impression on you, but I can not stand that kind of attitude of easily advocating war and conflict that risks many OTHER people lives.

War is not a game but a matter about live and DEATH. Just out of curiosity, have you ever got into a physical fight when you were a child that nearly get someone (you or the other) killed or disabled? Seeing that kind of thing in a movie or computer game is far different than seeing blood with your eyes.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Another admonishment to withdraw this tuesday
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Beijing: China on Tuesday again told India to withdraw its troops from the disputed border at Doklam as a Chinese newspaper warned that Beijing was battle ready and not afraid to go to war with India in an “all-out confrontation”.

Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang said foreign diplomats in Beijing were briefed over the Doklam stand-off and that Indian troops had “illegally” crossed the mutually recognised China-India boundary on the Sikkim section.

He said India “should not take the illegal trespass as a policy to realise its political target” adding, the foreign diplomats in Beijing were “shocked” over the trespass by India.

China and India have a 3,488-km border, of which 220 km falls in the Sikkim sector where Doklam is situated. Doklam is at a tri-junction between India, China and Bhutan.

China calls Doklam its own, a claim contested by India and Bhutan.

China said India violated international rules by “illegally entering into the Chinese territory”. Beijing has been trying to rally international support behind it.

“The illegal trespass by the Indian border personnel has drawn extensive attention from the international community and many foreign diplomatic missions in China said they were shocked by this,” Lu said.

“We stressed the facts are very clear in this incident. The Sikim section on China-India boundary is mutually recognised by the two sides,” Lu added. “This time the Indian border personnel illegally trespassed into Chinese territory.”

Lu warned India to withdraw troops from Doklam to avoid an escalation. “We hope the Indian side get the clear understanding of the current situation and take immediate measures to pull back the personnel.”


Meanwhile, a commentary in the state-run Global Times said China doesn’t fear going to war and will make itself ready for a long-term confrontation.

The article by Duo Mu said China must deploy more troops along the border with India and speed up road construction in Doklam where the two sides have been engaged in a month-long stand-off.

It suggested that New Delhi triggered the dispute as it was worried over China’s rapid economic rise. The stand-off began when Indian troops stopped Chinese soldiers from building a road in Doklam.

“China doesn’t fear going to war to safeguard sovereignty either, and will make itself ready for a long-term confrontation,” said the commentary.

The writer said one important reason that prompted India to trigger the border dispute was its worry over China’s economic development.

“China has risen quickly to be the world’s No. 2 economy … New Delhi is deeply concerned with China’s rapid rise. Provocation at the border reflects India’s worry and attempt to sound out China.”

The commentary said China doesn’t recognise the land under India’s actual control as Indian territory and accused New Delhi of “poisoning” the atmosphere for border negotiations.

“China must be prepared for future conflicts and confrontation. China can take further counter-measures along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

“If India stirs up conflicts in several spots, it must face the consequence of an all-out confrontation with China along the entire LAC. The 3,500-km border has never been short of disputes. Since the 1962 border war, the Indian side has repeatedly made provocations.”

China must continue strengthening border construction and speed up troop deployment and construction in the Doklam area, Duo said. “These are legitimate actions of a sovereign country.”
 

tidalwave

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Mao most dramatic plan was at height of sino_Soviet conflict. Soviet was ready nuke China and Mao made preparation for that. If china got all contaminated by nuke fall out, Mao would bring all whole nation and rush into Soviet Siberia.

Now, that's a person is very willing to take risk to the max. You think he care about someone sons or daughters die or care about trade surplus???
 
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Mao most dramatic plan was at height of sino_Soviet conflict. Soviet was ready nuke China and Mao made preparation for that. If china got all contaminated by nuke fall out, Mao would bring all whole nation and rush into Soviet Siberia.

Now, that's a person is very willing to take risk to the max. You think he care about someone sons or daughters die or care about trade surplus???
makes me wonder how big percentage of the Chinese are Maoists now, I mean is the above post just some radical view, or is it something I would've heard if walking through the middle of China??

I want to know
 

AssassinsMace

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Do you think the Soviet Union was the only one to ever think of using nukes on China? The US thought of using nukes on China at least fives times. Why didn't they? Because of all those consequences the China haters in this forum warn to China. Sorry to inform you. The only war that happens will be started by the US or a proxy of the US with an inferiority complex. China isn't the one trying change everyone else. But you are the ones trying to change China. Those people starts wars because they get upset when they don't get what they want. I just read an article about a new theory that started the Vietnam War for the US. Yes people today are still trying to think up fiction because everyone knows it was started based on lies about the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The new theory is glowing sea monsters. Yeah instead of the lie that the Vietnamese attacked first, it's now these glowing sea-creatures that the US mistook for gunfire. I wonder what fantastic story in the future we'll here about WMDs in Iraq.
 
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