Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

in the Zumwalt Thread Today at 3:03 PM
With 35 units built or bought conventional weapons and upgrades in the works those ships actually occasionally on operations those are to some degree working.
so,

2017 Jan 9, 2017
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Q: What’s in the near future for LCS? Is that the only deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: That is correct.

Q: You don’t have another LCS deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: No, I don’t think so.

says who?! Vice Admiral Thomas S. Rowden
Commander Naval Surface Force
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in January 8, 2017 Interview: Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, Commander, US Naval Forces
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2018 Apr 21, 2018
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for the SDF record (and for the US Senate), inside
Navy, Marine Leadership Looking at LPD Flight II Missiles, Additional Virginia-class Buys
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... Richardson continued.
“We have 24 deployments planned between ‘19 and ‘24, and so really ‘18 is a reset year to get maintenance and manning in place so that we can deploy these in a sustainable fashion.”
 
it's ... leapfrogging Naval Strike Missile System Planned for Installation on LCS 27
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Lockheed Martin is in the process of integrating the Over-the-Horizon (OTH) Weapon System on its Freedom-variant littoral combat ship (LCS) and has identified the ship to be built ready for the missile system.

The first Freedom LCS to be built ready to receive the Naval Strike Missile (NSM), the weapon of the OTH system, will be LCS 27, the future USS Nantucket, Joe DiPietro, vice president of Small Combatants and Ship Systems, said Nov. 15 in a teleconference with reporters from Annapolis, Maryland.

The NSM, developed by Norway’s Kongsberg, is a ship- and ground-launched anti-ship cruise missile that will be integrated by Raytheon Missile Co. into the OTH system. It will give the LCS an OTH anti-ship capability as an initiative to improve the lethality of the Navy’s warships.

“We’re working on the design and integration of that,” DiPietro said. “[The Navy] had us do space and weight on our previous hull that was awarded for the Naval Strike Missile and now we’re working on the modernization package to be able to put that in to an in-service asset as well.”

Rear Adm. Joseph P. Neagley, program executive officer, Unmanned and Small Combatants, told Seapower last month that the NSM will be installed on all LCSs, regardless of which mission package is installed.

DiPietro said Lockheed Martin also is working on a backfit of the NSM, but that the Navy will determine the schedule of ships to be fitted with the NSM.

DiPietro also said the company is working on the integration of the Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program Block II Lite into the Freedom variant.

“We actually already have put that test asset on LCS 1 Freedom and ran through the range and tested it with our COMBATSS21 configuration, being a derivative of Aegis,” he said.
 
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"An analysis of appropriations bills dating back to 2015 shows that Congress has slashed funding to the mission modules every year. Sources familiar with the situation said the cuts have led to a merry-go-round of delays, which Congress cites the next year as a reason for more cuts.

But Congress continues to buy ships every year, even buying a 33rd, 34th and 35th LCS above the 32-ship requirement set by the Navy."
 
wait,
Navy Awards Austal USA Contracts for LCS 36 and 38
Posted: December 17, 2018 1:04 PM
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really?!

now used google to find

“The award of LCS 36 and 38 will mean that Austal has a forward order book of a further ten ships to deliver in a continuous production program that now extends out to 2025.”

inside
US Navy orders additional two littoral combat ships from Austal
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anzha

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wait,
Navy Awards Austal USA Contracts for LCS 36 and 38
Posted: December 17, 2018 1:04 PM
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really?!

It has a lot of room so it could be upgraded. Don't laugh at me!

And it has a nice flight deck...

Lockheed has had the odd numbered LCS up to 29. Austal and Lockheed are rapidly and rabidly fighting for the last LCS. Or what /may/ be the last LCS.

What makes, what, 15 Freedoms and 19 Independences so far. Last one up for grabs.
 
It has a lot of room so it could be upgraded. Don't laugh at me!

...
recalled the most naïve statement I've ever made in this thread which is the art of the deal inside:

"in my opinion the program should be terminated (I know it would mean to pay off the two vendors for "block buy of 26", but I think Trump would skilfully cut some deal :) for example give to each of them money for just one more, UNBUILT, for the favor of not building anything after that)"

Feb 11, 2017
first I repeat Jan 9, 2017
Q: What’s in the near future for LCS? Is that the only deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: That is correct.

Q: You don’t have another LCS deployment scheduled for 2017?

A: No, I don’t think so.

says who?! Vice Admiral Thomas S. Rowden
Commander Naval Surface Force
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in January 8, 2017 Interview: Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, Commander, US Naval Forces
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which is reality; now:

with so many copies "sidelined" (six out of eight commissioned EDIT if I'm not mistaken), with so many issues (weaponry pretty much absent Dec 31, 2016), so late in the program (15 or so years) ...

in my opinion the program should be terminated (I know it would mean to pay off the two vendors for "block buy of 26", but I think Trump would skilfully cut some deal :) for example give to each of them money for just one more, UNBUILT, for the favor of not building anything after that), the things built so far turned into minesweepers, and a new program of a real Frigate put on fast track (for example a design proposed by the most recent CSBA study Yesterday at 6:51 AM)

... if the program isn't axed (and I of course know at the same time it's a job program!) and proceeds into "beefed up LCS" phase which the USN wants, then AS A RESULT in the future they'll have to commit Burkes to convoy duties etc., patrolling duties in "hot spots" etc. I mean in addition to the other Burkes' duties (CV escorts! ABMD!) with a significant total financial (the need for even more Burkes) and capability loss

... is my armchair-admiralling
 

anzha

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recalled the most naïve statement I've ever made in this thread which is the art of the deal inside:

Hey! I said don't laugh because, well, my comment was laughable.

Yes, the Indies have vast volume, but...there is a negative chance (less than zero) they will ever get any significant upgrade.

The whole program is such a fscking waste.
 
Hey! I said don't laugh because, well, my comment was laughable.

...
oh I laughed at me Feb 11, 2017

while now knowing what actually happened, for example Jul 10, 2017
Jul 1, 2017

... details emerging:

"On May 23, the U.S. Navy rolled out its 2018 budget request that included one littoral combat ship, or LCS. The logic was that since Congress had given the Navy three in fiscal year 2017, an additional one would keep both builders — Wisconsin-based Marinette Marine and Alabama-based Austal USA — afloat.

But inside the White House, alarm bells went off in some sectors. Peter Navarro, the head of U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade and industrial policy office, was looking at information indicating one ship could trigger layoffs at both shipyards. Those concerns were shared by senior Trump aides Rick Dearborn and Stephen Miller — both old hands of long-time Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions — and together they lobbied and prevailed upon Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney to add a second ship to the request."

Life support: The Navy's struggle to define a LCS bare minimum
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goes on below due to size limit
etc.

I leave the rest to the US Naval Surface Command, wishing good luck
 

Jeff Head

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Well, I would like to see them STOP buying more LCS and START building the FF as the inmterim to the FFG(X).

I for one was glad to see the choice of the NSM, with Raytheon and Kongsberg. That is one GREAT missile, and as I understand it, the upgrades built into the JSM (Joiont Strike Missile) that the F-35As and Cs will be getting will also b able to be retrofitted into the NSM. This gives the Uparmed LCS and the FFs a GREAT weapon for either Anti-shipping, or land attack.

I am looking forward to that.

With each LCS carrying eight of the NSM, and with the Hellfire missiles, the 30mm cannons, and the Sea-RAMs, these ships will be decently armed ...finally!

They should add 16 VLS into the FF, and they should expand the new FFG(x) to its full potential of 32 VLS.

I believe the FFG(X) should get the LRASM for its VLS, using at least four cells for that, and then adding the eight NSM in their quad launchers as well. That would be twelve great ASMs for those FFG(X) vessels...leaving another 20 cells for anti-air and even VL-ASROC.

I have a freind who does GREAT job at 3D printing on Shapeways who has now made quad cannister NSM launchers which I will retrofit ont all of my 1/350 scale uparmed LCS and onto my twp 1/350 FFG(X) vessels as well.

I believe using two sextuple launchers for the NSM on the LPDs and on the LSD(x) which will use th San Antonio hull form would also be GREAT! 12 of those missiles would allow for great land support, as well as anti-shipping if needed...and they ought to pout the 16 cell Mk-41 VLS that the ships were designed to have room for as well.

Anyhow, here's how the uparmed LCS will look with the NSM:

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So, in essence, the 38 LCS will have some decent weaponry now, and then add to that 20 some odd FFs, and then another 28 or so tru FFG(X)s.

That will be close to eighty frigates for the US Navy. There will be close to 100 Burkes before it is all said and done too.

Now we HAVE to get serious about the CG(X), which I hope uses the Zumwal hull form, but with 12--160 VLS, one decen large bore Rial gun, two smaller CIWS rail guns, two Laswe CIWS, and then two Sea-RAMs. Add at least four small bore 30mm guns, and you will have a ship capable of carrying a dual ban, larger AEGIS capable radar as the principle cruiser coordinating the defense of each CSG and each ARG.


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PARIS – The U.S. Navy is pushing to deploy its
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by late next year, months ahead of its original target date, according to industry executives familiar with the initiative.

The service selected Kongsberg and Raytheon’s Naval Strike Missile as its first new anti-ship missile in decades earlier this year for it littoral combat ship over-the-horizon missile, giving the LCS much-needed teeth as
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. With the first major deployments of the ships in years planned for 2019, the surface Navy is in a full-court press to accelerate and integrate the new missile on the ship, months ahead of its original target date.

“In that initial over-the-horizon award for LCS, the installation timeline was on a two-year delivery cycle,” said Octavio Babuca, who works on business development for NSM, during an interview at the Euronaval naval trade show in Paris. “But we are now working with the Navy to support an accelerated timeline to the deploying to littoral combat ships. That is mid-to-late 2019 time window.”

The Navy exercised a contract option on the missile that supported the accelerated integration and deployment of the missile, Babuca said.

Joe DePietro, Lockheed Martin’s vice president for small combatants and ship systems, said his company was working toward integrating the Naval Strike Missile into LCS-7, the Detroit.

"We are working right now to put the Naval Strike Missile on LCS-7, he said, “in support of an upcoming deployment. That’s going to be a fleet decision but we are doing all the design work now to put the missile on the ship.”

The NSM is slated for the LCS but also will be integrated into the Navy’s future frigate, the FFG(X).

In 2016, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson ordered the surface navy to reorganize the littoral combat ship program after a disastrous nine-month span between late 2015 and 2016 that saw mechanical breakdowns on four of the six LCS then in service, some caused by sailor errors.

Surface Navy Boss Vice Adm.
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that the program was closing in on getting LCS deployed on a regular basis, and that this would begin at some point next year.

“We are on track with the 2016 [chief of naval operations] review of the LCS … and I think we will see the first deployments next year and then happening continuously after that,” said Brown, who heads Naval Surface Force Pacific. “I will have the ships through their maintenance, and the blue crews and gold crews through their basic phase to support deployments next year. So, that’s really exciting — something we’ve been driving towards for a long time.”

The deployments will be closely watched as the oft-criticized program looks to shake off years of doubts, delays and scrutiny and start performing missions that have been under-served since the last small surface combatants — the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates — left the service in 2015.

All good news.
 

dtulsa

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Well, I would like to see them STOP buying more LCS and START building the FF as the inmterim to the FFG(X).

I for one was glad to see the choice of the NSM, with Raytheon and Kongsberg. That is one GREAT missile, and as I understand it, the upgrades built into the JSM (Joiont Strike Missile) that the F-35As and Cs will be getting will also b able to be retrofitted into the NSM. This gives the Uparmed LCS and the FFs a GREAT weapon for either Anti-shipping, or land attack.

I am looking forward to that.

With each LCS carrying eight of the NSM, and with the Hellfire missiles, the 30mm cannons, and the Sea-RAMs, these ships will be decently armed ...finally!

They should add 16 VLS into the FF, and they should expand the new FFG(x) to its full potential of 32 VLS.

I believe the FFG(X) should get the LRASM for its VLS, using at least four cells for that, and then adding the eight NSM in their quad launchers as well. That would be twelve great ASMs for those FFG(X) vessels...leaving another 20 cells for anti-air and even VL-ASROC.

I have a freind who does GREAT job at 3D printing on Shapeways who has now made quad cannister NSM launchers which I will retrofit ont all of my 1/350 scale uparmed LCS and onto my twp 1/350 FFG(X) vessels as well.

I believe using two sextuple launchers for the NSM on the LPDs and on the LSD(x) which will use th San Antonio hull form would also be GREAT! 12 of those missiles would allow for great land support, as well as anti-shipping if needed...and they ought to pout the 16 cell Mk-41 VLS that the ships were designed to have room for as well.

Anyhow, here's how the uparmed LCS will look with the NSM:

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View attachment 50508

View attachment 50509

So, in essence, the 38 LCS will have some decent weaponry now, and then add to that 20 some odd FFs, and then another 28 or so tru FFG(X)s.

That will be close to eighty frigates for the US Navy. There will be close to 100 Burkes before it is all said and done too.

Now we HAVE to get serious about the CG(X), which I hope uses the Zumwal hull form, but with 12--160 VLS, one decen large bore Rial gun, two smaller CIWS rail guns, two Laswe CIWS, and then two Sea-RAMs. Add at least four small bore 30mm guns, and you will have a ship capable of carrying a dual ban, larger AEGIS capable radar as the principle cruiser coordinating the defense of each CSG and each ARG.


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All good news.
The only thing lcs needs is some kind of a launcher for essm and Asroc BAE has a bolt on launcher that can do this it called the ADL and can launch anything up to SM 2 however this would not stop the whole lcs from being one big disaster from stability concerns to use if aluminum in construction yikes if its hit to propulsion problems not to mention the much balliehoid mission modules which are non existent
 
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